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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Obviously they were ignored. I wasn't there to lend my weight.

    Two million? Really? No, I mean *really*? Your argument would carry more weight if you used the police's or similarly neutral/hostile organisations' estimates. When you use your own side's unsupported propaganda to support your point, you immediately lose credibility.

    *Of course* they were ignored. It was an enormous protest that the political establishment could ignore because the consequences of doing so did not outweigh the ill-effects of the British government performing a u-turn in the face of "wider interests". (Please do not confuse this argument with an attempt to justify an unjust war.)

    If you are going to "march on Westminster", you have to go all in. There has to be significant numbers, there has to be civil unrest throughout the country and it will have to go on for days not hours.
    Government will ignore what it feels it is safe to ignore. You have to understand this. If you want to cause Government to do a serious u-turn, the populace has to offer a threat that Government must take seriously - the consequences of the popular unrest must outweigh those of Government reversing course. In order for that to happen, where the really big issues are concerned, there has to be enough numbers engaged in civil unrest, for a long enough time span. And in the most extreme cases, that will only happen if the population as a whole has their food supply, shelter or personal safety at risk. Simple discontent at an immoral and unpopular war is not enough and Government knows that. Remember Vietnam?
     
  2. Nonsense. There is no banking, car manufacturing or education taking place North of the Wall. The Wildlings have no use for any of that. They just want to wear furs and raid crops.
     
  3. you know. looking at the comments is some of the printed and online hate rags. there is actually people that still think thats the case. i know how you work loz. you is envious as fook at what is going on up here. you are quite possibly looking into how you could make the move.
     
  4. I already have that move planned. Or did you forget about that too, finm? :Bucktooth:
     
  5. nope. how are you with bitcoin and block chain?
     
  6. bitcoin is on its way out, blockchain will go the same way. Obviously.

    Next?
     
  7. :rolleyes: ,, we will maybe see when Andy Capp finally realises that there will be no brexit..
     
  8. Good point, you convinced me!
     
  9. answering phones (nicely) filing,book keeping generally helping out in a workshop?
     
  10. mmm, that was easy..:grinning:
     
  11. Well, you *do* like easy, dontcha? :)
     
  12. easier the better..:upyeah:
     
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  13. Mature and french...................Job jobbed :upyeah:

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  14. On a scale of 1 to really shit, how would people rate this attempted exit from Europe to date and do you anticipate this cringey episode in our history getting any less embarassing as time drags on?

    Asking for a friend.
     
  15. It seems MPs from all Parties are demanding it's properly debated in Parliament before negotiations even begin and rightly so.
    If it's not done in a correct manner then the consequences will be profound on the wealth of most of the population.
     
  16. I think is going as expected and is not cringeworthy or embarrassing in the slightest. There is a lot of posturing from everyone concerned, which is what you would expect prior to negotiations starting, but I have every faith that Theresa May will get the best possible deal for the UK, even if it means no deal.

    Life will go on and trade will continue. You don't have to be part of the single market to trade with the single market.

    The EU is broken, better out than in, as they say.
     
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  17. They can set out aspirations but before negotiations take place that is all they can possibly be. I think the prospect of negotiating a trade deal in the 2 years available following the triggering of Article 50 is virtually nil, unless we nuke Wallonia as an example to the rest. Meanwhile the EU will continue to fragment, which will hopefully inject a dose of reality into the negotiation process. But if we leave without a deal so be it. Theresa has made it clear we will start trade negotiations with the rest of the world before we Brexit, bring it on.
     
  18. Yes but John, aren't you forgetting?

    DOOM DOOM DOOM!
     
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