I doubt if we are reincarnated,but until the time comes,I'll try to keep an open mind. These kind of beliefs,like religion,leave me completely cold. But I actually envy people who are taken in...it must be wonderful having an absolute,unshakeable belief in something that,(to me),is so unlikely/irrational/impossible to prove. I do wonder who will be the most disappointed though,when the last breath is taken: Those of us who spend our lives being cynical only to find there is a golden staircase after all,or those that worshipped and just got a black hole for all that devotion. Perhaps there is an in-between...some kind of eternal misery where you have a bike but it has an untraceable,intermittent electrical fault.
@bradders If you can think that reincarnation is worthy of consideration then surely all of science as we know it must be open to reinterpretation ? As someone once said, "there are some things we know we don't know and there are some things we don't know we don't know".
I agree, it is baffling that someone can believe in something that cannot be proven; but some do and get great satisfaction from it.
It also amazes me when people can't understand something that's beyond them intellectually, they have to make something up... It's the basis for all religion...
And a fair few scientific models too It's the concept of consciousness creating rocks, water, man that I find total tosh John. The rest is really worth exploring
So you cavil at "everything just magically appearing", but you prefer a god ... who just magically appeared and then created everything else. That's the problem with the concept of gods - it doesn't actually explain anything at all. It just adds an extra mystery to whatever mysteries you started with.
In earlier centuries when mankind knew nothing about galaxies, or bacteria, or rainbows, or DNA - or anything really - it is not surprising that people made up myths to "explain" mystifying events in the world. What does amaze me is folk who still insist on clinging to their old myths even after real explanations have been discovered, and how persistent this is.
what your saying is a long time ago, they decided things happened due to. i dont know, gods? and now we know more so it must be false. well. maybe we dont know what we dont know yet. and words havent even been created yet to explain the real truth of it all. and in 1000years theyll laugh at us saying hahaha they thought the universe just, tada appeared because we believed in science. and we know that actually..... science, like religion in some ways, has any if you conducted these experiments to proove what the scientists say is true? i havent, but yet i believe them and thier word as much as religious people believe gods and a bible for instance. to say god and religion is impossible is short minded and wrong, to say its unlikely is i think a fact, about as unlikely as the universe actually 'being' has any of you thought anout how the universe got here? not what youve been told by preachers. oh i mean scientists, but your own makeup if it. [emoji5][emoji5][emoji5] spanner in the works?
Exactly. And we are therefore not living or in misery or poverty. I wonder what makes people 'born' into a poverty consciousness where they have a full 'life' of misery and hardship then? And if it's just consciousness, how come we are all sharing hand same ones? It's more likely that the Gods of Olympus magicked is onto the earth for their pleasure and play
[QUOTE="slinky848, post: 879979, member: 38442" etc etc [emoji5][emoji5][emoji5] spanner in the works?[/QUOTE] I like this fella
So does the big bang theory. I think if mankind really understood the universe or was capable of understanding it we'd have made considerably less of a fecking awful mess of the five minutes we've spent in existence.
If I do get re incarnated then I hope to come back as a straight banana, then at least I know I will end up back in Britain
You won't. As when we are out of the EU beuracratic reach, our bananas will be as bendy as a really bendy thing You're landing in Germany matey
It is only the cynics who can face disappointment if they are wrong. If there is nothing but extinction there can be no feeling and no disappointment. Hence Pascal's wager.
Although there is an element of validity in this, Pascal's Wager itself is seriously defective and does not achieve its supposed purpose, i.e. provide a reason for believing in god.
Let's face it, we make a mess of everything we touch.... In the same vein, if there was a God, he'd have surely made it a much simpler operation, instead of the fractured and distorted myriad of religions that have risen and fallen over the centuries. The only thing reincarnation attempts to address is the concept of the soul and whether or not it exists outside of the physical form and can be transported elsewhere. Some branches of Christianity believes that privilege is only extended to humans and that a lion, monkey or worm would die without prospect of afterlife... I know, makes no sense to me either.
What is consciousness ? Can the most complex of machines ever be conscious ? I think not. Where does consciousness come from, where does it go to when we die ? Is it possible to ever truly know the answers to these questions ? Probably not. We live in a universe that stretches from the infinitely big, described by General Relativity, to the infinitesimally small, described by Quantum Theory, theories so complex that few really understand them, with no Unifying Theory. I like the ants on the Empire State Building analogy.
