British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Ms Coppola truly shows her remainer credintials.

    All european and world economies are slowing down however she forgets to mention it is growth that is slowing down but still remains growth. This in itself is not caused by brexit

    We have a weak housing sector due to 1 successive governments under investing, 2 local authorities under investing 3 greed by the building industry that has effectively priced themselves out of the market by pricing their customers out of the market and successive governments who have not put a freeze on selling council houses. Non of these are brexit related

    The drop in sterling does have a relation to brexit in some parts. At around 11pm ish on the night of the brexit vote the pound versus the dollar jumped up artificially by speculators. Before that the market largely agreed the pound was overvalued, It is today at $131.90 it's worth noting on a normal day that markets are more likely to bounce through events in China. Whilst the doom sayers say "look we get less for our pound" they also forget to say that British goods and tourism are so cheap by comparisson that massive profits are being made by smaller but more often profits

    Personal debt, pcp's, car finance etc are things we should worry about but were well in place before a brexit vote was even mentioned but it's true, we are taking out less and seeing what happens, this in itself is no bad thing.

    People are more aware money is tight but very little of that issue is brexit related.
     
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  2. Exactly.

    But honesty and accuracy don't sell news papers.

    Apparently it's going to freeze tonight and a really cold snap is coming, I'm actually just reading through a guardian column on it to see whether anyone manages to pin the blame of that on Brexit, regardless of whether we used to just call this time of year.......winter

    So far the Guardian has managed to link the cold weather to homelessness and therefore the Tories by people being homeless.....obvious outrage ensues
     
  3. Homeless numbers has increased significantly during the last few years. Caused by an inept government? Perhaps not, but it's hard to say the government have done a good job or resolving homelessness - they haven't even stopped the sale of council houses!
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...gures-new-study-shelter-housing-a8042841.html
     
  4. They haven't reduced or made any attempt to control immigration either. Even if net migration to the UK was currently running at 10,000 per year (still a large figure in a minute country with over 700 people per square mile nationally, 1000/ sq mile in England and 1200 in the south east) we would still have a housing problems for our own citizens for the reasons Noobie states. Add to that the influx from overseas every 365 days of the equivalent of the population of Southampton and its scarcely any wonder the problem is insurmountable. It is fantasy to suppose that the current - sorry, the endemic and chronic housing shortage is purely down to lack of government "investment" (the state has never been a major house builder in this country) and has nothing to do with uncontrolled and unsustainable immigration.
     
  5. Attlee & McMillan built both built hundreds of thousands of homes. It is certainly within the power of this or any other government to build a good deal more homes than are built currently.
     
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  7. After ww2 there was a need for mass employment due to so many returning from the war without a job but more importantly, back then councils built houses and not for profit but cost and only rich people had houses built for themselves.

    Today, most houses are built by private companies who seek profit, even for those who end up with housing associations. Given the next generations obsession with technology, media studies and gender issues, where would you get such large workforces from that and would build at just cost?. We could use migrant labour but as we've seen that simply adds to the problem

    In an ideal world they would raise the tax by 5p on the pound and allow proper contractor quotes to build homes for the council but as we've seen, we the voting public tend to turn on politicians who ask us for more money.
     
  8. One of the real problems here is, we allowed politicians to turn our utilities into commodities. Then they set about selling us what we already owned. We fookin fell for it. Now they tell us that immigration is enriching and we need to be a diverse society. You don't see sub saharan Africa crying out for Europeans to help them enrich themselves. I'm stopping now I'm far too enriched to carry on!
     
  9. I think it's more our fault than the governments, people are lazy and afraid of risk so often bleet "what are the government doing about it?" for almost everything. We largely abdicated and handed more and more to the politicians because we couldn't be arsed.

    That is why for the first time in decades we were given a voice above the politicians, eurocrats and big business and the people said brexit.

    Now some may not like the result but to deny it is to say more government ignoring us please and less democracy.
     
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  11. A truth spoken there. And it goes a long way to explaining the diametrically opposing views between those who are desperate to cling to our EU membership at any cost - because it staves off the day, of which they are terrified, when we have to take responsibility for our own governance and the blame for the results; and their opposite number who are equally desperate but for converse reasons to get out as soon as possible, because they are terrified of what will happen if we continue to surrender our self-determination to an at best disinterested and at worst hostile third party.
     
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  12. Nailing colours to the mast, I was a remainer.
    but now its time to say out, fully out. Go WTO. NO payments to EU project. Christmas and party time a few weeks away but 'right leg in, right leg out, shake it all about..' is not going to work. EU do seem to be acting like they have us over a barrel. They need to wake up and smell the coffee as their economy may take a bigger battering. Starting to think they are terrified that the UK may show the way forward. Protectionism never works properly in a free market anyway.
    Considering Sterling has already dropped from around $1.25 to the £ to 1.13...that looks very like (close to) 10% to me already in place for import duties re WTO and countries outside the EU?
     
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  13. Bingo. In a nutshell.
     
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  14. 27th May 2016 there will be no european army http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-an-eu-army-are-being-held-back-a7052501.html

    13th November 2017, erm
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5078157/EU-army-moves-step-closer-23-nations-sign-pact.html

    One thing that did stand out is that until we leave we are still a full paying voting member. The eu voting system is that all countries must agree or the vote action does not happen. The U.K. voted no to PESCO but the eu still ratified it anyway.
     
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  15. Naahh but soon :D

    The interesting thing will be tonight. The recent German elections saw Merkels party see a bit of a bashing allowing the right adf party to get into parliament. It also meant the traditional partnership with merkels party has refused to be their usual coalition partner, feeling the coalition harmed their own party, think lid dems/tories.

    Her choices for a coalition are very slim pickings and would lead to what they are calling a Jamaican coalition with parties so diverse that running the government could be its downfall.

    They have until midnight tonight to raise a working coalition or, the Germans go to the polls again for another general election. It would seem Merkels government is even less stable than ours

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ark-choice-between-coalition-or-minority-rule
     
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