British Indy: What Happens Now?

The poll you cite dated from 14 months ago, and it showed 63% (not 80%) in NI wanting to stay in the UK at that time. The point I was making is that republican sentiment has strengthened greatly since, as shown in two elections which have been held in NI in 2017. It is still strengthening, and is close to 50:50 currently. I predicted that this will soon swing to a small republican majority, and as we all know (to our cost) a small majority is enough. This prediction does not need a crystal ball, just a simple extrapolation of the trend over the past 20 years.

 

There you go again " all you brexiteers were to stupid and listen to all sides so your vote must have been because you were to dumb" What elitist twaddle

All sides were less than honest, I would go as far to say that probably, project fear give brexiteers that extra push over the winning lining because the remain side was so full of lies through project fear.

All sides put their cards on the table and the voters made their own mind up when they went into the voting booth

Honest Pete you don't even see how distorted you have become, one minute you say brexit will cause a split in the U.K. and in your last post you say the split has been happening for 20 years, just what is it?

At the heart Pete you are typical of most extreme remainers in that, unless people voted as you did they then you claim they were too stupid to know what is going on. Have you ever run for the european government? and just what is it about democratic votes that offends you so much?

 

No they didn’t. They all wanted a good Brexit, one that enables U.K. to be stronger globally. Nothing like your description Pete, and you know it. The only insult missing was racist from your rant at leave voters.

 

I know, I'm trying to work out if it means scatting with ladies of a certain profession or that he's just a keen gardener?

 

The more I see of the EU the more I am convinced that leaving is the best option. However, long before the vote I said that in the event of a vote to leave we would not be allowed to do so, and I suspect that might still turn out to be the case.

May seems to be implementing Brexit lite, a lengthy transition where we continue to pay but have no say with the likelihood of being reabsorbed at some point in the future.

We were told today that the events of last week demonstrated that the EU does not want a no deal scenario, which is probably true, but do not assume that therefore they do want a deal. What I believe they want, and the events of the last few months shows this, is to drag out the "negotiations" as long as possible.

 

Agree, just politics isn't where most of ya smartness is

 

There was never the remotest possibility of the UK being "stronger globally", and the politicians campaigning for Brexit knew this perfectly well. The UK can only be weakened economically, politically, militarily, diplomatically, reputationally, and culturally by this, as they all knew - since it is as plain as a pikestaff. Shooting yourself in the head does not make you stronger!

In the referendum campaign, these Tory MPs had what was to them a golden opportunity to campaign openly against the incumbent Tory Prime Minister, which they would never be otherwise permitted to do, and with the chance of a leadership election to follow as a bonus. So they seized it in a purely self-serving way, caring nothing about the adverse consequences for the nation.

 

The demographic drift towards the republicans in NI has been going on slowly for decades, like I said, and it looked as if it would take several more years to reach the critical 50:50 level. Brexit has given that shift a big shove, and 50:50 is now getting closer, like I said. It was obvious that would happen, and those campaigning for Brexit must have known it (unless they were amazingly ignorant). So what did they think would follow if they managed to swing Brexit? NI eventually leaving the UK, obviously, and sooner rather than later.

 

It was always going to be easy for the UK to give up all our seats in the Council, Commission, Court, and Parliament of the EU, and thus give up all powers, vetoes, rights, and influence. None of the other 27 member states was ever going to oppose that - why should they?

Amputating ourselves from membership of the single market and the customs union would be patently catastrophic for the UK, so current issues are about trying to find ways to minimise and postpone the damage as much as possible.

The real worry is that the effects will be so damaging to the UK's position that even if our successors are at some time in the future desperate to rejoin the EU (having learned a hard lesson), they won't be able to because the UK will not be able to meet the economic criteria. That one can keep us all awake at nights.

 

You just can't help yourself Pete. (Unless they were amazingly ignorant), Could it just be that some who think they are better educated refuse to accept that democracy doesn't always give you the vote you want, I noticed you didn't answer why you have a problem with democratic votes but your reply is the same dogma of unless the vote is in your favour then everyone is stupid.

The vote was for the whole of the U.K. and most knew a few squirrly years would be before us leading onto the U.K. standing on it's own two feet again and in some ways Britain would change but more likely a small amount and not the ruination your project fear mantra insists upon. At some point the north may have a vote, that is what democracy is, that is what the eu does not like.

As to the deal, CETA, the most recent deal by the eu, between Canada and the eu, has 98% of all trading with NO tariffs. Neither does the eu insist on judicial control of eu residents in Canada by a two tier legal system, or insist all eu nationals who have emigrated to Canada must have automatic relatives immigration rights also

 

You missed 'in my opinion' from that Pete, otherwise its as if you believe you are talking fact