But isn't this a risk any business takes when business sets up in a country with a democracy?, People have a bigger say than business. When fat catters plunder and joe public people feel all they have left is the vote, then as we have seen recently, they bloody well use it. It is upto business to adapt within a democracy and not the other way around.
Well, the arguments about the economy may be right, they may be wrong, they may fall some where in the middle. We may be better off, we may be worse off. But it's not always about the economy and wasn't for the vast majority of people who voted to leave. Remainers are trying to steer the conversation to the issue of the economy at every opportunity with predictions, not facts (as they did pre vote). The predictions made so far that have come to pass have been wrong, why should the latest predictions be given any more credibility, especially given the sources. Interesting that the issues around sovereignty, EU contributions, immigration, the current undemocratic nature of the EU, the future plans of the EU et all are never mentioned.
You got me there, I was so excited at the thought of a free unicorn, I got confused. Can we not breed a Pegasus and a unicorn and get horsies with a horn and wings when free of EU regulation? Don't give up yet @shadow it'll be great.
I was commenting specifically on the economy and making the point that almost everyone considered a real authority on it through their day to day job agrees it’s not a good idea regardless of doom mongering predictions on either side of the argument which often have political motivations. We’ve been lucky enough to be riding a ground swell of good economic performance globally but we are now lagging well behind the EU and the level we would have otherwise attained if we were not self harming to such an extent. I disagree, these things have been debated till the sun goes down including hundreds of pages in this forum. I could bring up arguments around any of those points but they’ve all been posted here before.
That's where we differ. I want us free to create our own equine utopia free of EU regulation. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree (even though I'm right)
The same authorities that have been consistently proved incorrect so far. Yet they are still held up as experts and their words as gospel You say tomatoes, I say tomatoes. For every negative figure, there are positive figures. All very selective and anything remotely seen as negative is put down to Brexit. And the economy hasn't? About 99% of it false predictions with little fact too, may I add. And I wouldn't hold this forum up as a bastion of experts either.
duke focus's on this too, he also forgets to mention that we may have slower growth during this uncertianty, but we are still moving forward and are still moving forward due to growth. it seems to fall into two camps, one group who looks no further than right now and hates change, and the other who feel strongly as some european politicians have also said, despite the short uncertianty, in the long term they expect the U.K. to do very well
Media outlets constantly deliver 'News' of what ifs, buts, and maybes for the last X amount of months in dramatic fashion Media outlets then report on uncertainty Media outlets then pin consumer uncertainty on Brexit Media outlets therefore create their own news Its not really surprising is it.
I saw bernier this morning and I think that is where the problem is. He seemed genuinely confused and amazed that the U.K. was counter negotiating. The eu still do not get how important democracy is
Could be interesting with the coalition they thought would happen for Germany? https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...ts-head-schulz-quits-amid-party-rift--9957910
"How often do you hear the expression “it’s not rocket science”? A hundred years ago such an expression would have been assigned to the world of H.G.Wells and his War of the Worlds. Literally a war of this world was just coming to an end. Americans were not long from gunfights in saloon bars or from a Civil War that tore their country apart in the name of racial equality that in many ways didn’t become US law until 1964. Throughout the development of the human being it has had a thread of an eternal power struggle with background attempts at developing the human mind. In many ways that development has been successful with the advances in medicine, education, nutrition, automation and, yes, rocket science. All of that, though, has been limited by man’s instinct to grab power by threat and by intimidation, never learning from science that development needs to be based on experiment, research, analysis and proof testing. Had man’s development been based on science we would have learnt that the accrual of power by threat, intimidation, warfare and economic strangulation would never work as has been evidenced by the countless failures of warlike nations such as Germany, Russia, and even Great Britain and America although it should be said that our participation in the two World Wars of the 20th century were defensive rather than acquisitive. It is in that vein of thinking about our departure from the European Union that I look at it as what is becoming a titanic power struggle. Not based on any scientific evidence nor provable research and analysis but based, as in all power struggles we have seen over the years of man’s time on this planet, on threats and the promotion of fear. In the past the so called ordinary man never thought he had a voice or an opinion in a power struggle whilst those with the power and seeking more of it would dismiss the ordinary man as not having sufficient intellect to input into the power struggles in any meaningful way. Such elitists would also turn to lies and obfuscation to deny the ordinary man understandable evidence of positions taken. These positions are so far adrift from scientific values in that such values can be seen to be workable by careful accumulation of evidence, theoretical and practical experimentation and the application of working models into the human society. In 2016 on two occasions, the ordinary man said to the elitists, enough is enough and said on both of these examples that they would no longer put up with being cowed by threats and intimidation by the so called “powers that be” and unless those power brokers came up with believable evidential facts to support the elite view, the ordinary man would vote it down and demand a voice. In modern development, this position was unheard of. I refer, of course, to the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States and to Brexit, or, more accurately, the majority decision by the voting electorate of the United Kingdom to Leave the European Union. As I am writing a British piece, this article is about Brexit. Despite the nonsense seen on US university campuses since Trump’s election, I think there remains enough scholarship in the US to dissect and comment on Trump’s election and so I think it is not for me. Brexit is for me. You will recall the acrimony of the Referendum campaign of 2016 where sides and positions were immediately assumed for both Leave and Remain. The question on the ballot paper would be that simple – Leave or Remain. What developed though was far from simple. Warlike stances were taken throughout British society, throughout families, throughout companies and throughout institutions. As I have discussed before, the evidence of human development underlines that very little, if anything is proven by war. The lack of science applied to the Brexit campaign demonstrated how little we have learnt from our past. Threats were made by the Remain side in particular as to the collapse of British life as we know it should we leave the EU. It was even coined by its own name, Project Fear. Institutions like the Bank of England, the Treasury (which should have remained neutral), the BBC and most of our media outlets sprang to the defence of Remain and came up with arguments to stay based on little or no evidential fact, scientific analysis or basic common sense. Nothing had been learnt from our past. When the Leave campaign tried to provide evidence that the fear mongering of Remain was flawed, this was discredited by all and sundry. The ordinary man observed this power struggle and didn’t like what he saw. He also didn’t like the fact that his view was considered racist, xenophobic, without education or scholarship and not worthy of consideration. He also did not like the arrogance of the Remain leaders in the way they talked down to the voter and thought it was only a matter of time before the little man would be put in his place and the status quo would prevail. How wrong they were as we now know. Having said all of that, though, those that have power don’t give it up easily as the events since June 2016 have shown us. We have had court cases, debate upon debate by the Parliamentary intelligentsia (and some lesser lights in the House), splits in the Cabinet, a General Election that was supposed to put the Government firmly in the driving seat but didn’t, Tory Party elected MPs standing up in Parliament trying to rubbish the vote and has-been politicians doing the same at every opportunity afforded them by a very partisan media. We have been threatened by an unelected cabal in Brussels and assumed a somewhat supine position when talking to representatives of the very continent that we saved from obliteration just 70 years ago. We have had forecasts of economic doom ladled on us by Treasury officials who forget who their paymasters are, none of which have been based on supportable science with the kind of forward forecasting of a Wellsian nature of the early 20th century and most certainly not, rocket science. All of this has been observed by the ordinary man who has tried to cut a reasonable figure but who is now consolidating the thinking that led to June 23rd 2016. He will not be cowed, he will not be talked down to, he will not be dismissed as irrelevant. As Lord Acton said in the 19th century, “Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”. It is time that the Remain branch of our society woke up to the evolution of the role of the ordinary man. The fact based evidence that we see on a daily basis scientifically shows us that the thinking of the Remain people was wrong in 2016 as it has been throughout our time in both the EEC and EU and that now it is time to move on and understand that the ordinary man is right and has always been right. Give him the comfort of a job, a reasonable wage, a decent family, an adequate education, an affordable home and security from those that seek us harm and he will be content. Fly in the face of those basic, simple principles of life and you do so at your peril. Pursue power to the detriment of those principles and you will never be forgiven and the ordinary man can be very unforgiving". Daily Globe: Wisdom of,"The Ordinary Man"
Can someone paraphrase this for me please? Trying to read it on my iPhone and my thumb hurts from scrolling
I'll do this bit. As Lord Acton said in the 19th century, “Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”. It is time that the Remain branch of our society woke up to the evolution of the role of the ordinary man. The fact based evidence that we see on a daily basis scientifically shows us that the thinking of the Remain people was wrong in 2016 as it has been throughout our time in both the EEC and EU and that now it is time to move on and understand that the ordinary man is right and has always been right. Give him the comfort of a job, a reasonable wage, a decent family, an adequate education, an affordable home and security from those that seek us harm and he will be content. Fly in the face of those basic, simple principles of life and you do so at your peril. Pursue power to the detriment of those principles and you will never be forgiven and the ordinary man can be very unforgiving". Daily Globe: Wisdom of,"The Ordinary Man" . the people in power are corrupt. Boris Gove Fox. a difference of opinion means you wrong by default. democracy in the UK is v.selective thing. "its disingenuous to say Yes means in, when actually the opposite is true" tory quote. vote no, get Devo Max. Labour Quote, only with brexit, the opposite is true. 75% of the Scotland's population voted for the devolution proposal. "all powers not reserved are devolved" but meh, feck em. No to another Indi Reff but lets have another Brexit Vote. Liberal's Position.
Or, if all you look at is the U.K. versus the eu, you might question what is going on. If you look at what is happening INSIDE the eu, then leaving makes perfect sense before it all goes horribly wrong. One thing that is certain, when such a europhile as Macron says, were the people of France given the same vote that France would probably vote to leave too, then you should take note. What is it that Macron can see/knows, that the extreme remainer's cannot?
