another wee paragraph. Not surprisingly, the Irish government is less than best pleased that the British government is trying to renege on what it agreed to last year. After all, in the past 800 years or so, the attitudes of governments on the Thames towards Ireland have always been characterised by respect, honesty, and an abiding concern to do the right thing. That is, if you define colonialisation, theft, land-grabs, mass slaughter, ethnic cleansing, and famines as respect, honesty, and an abiding concern to do the right thing, which even less surprisingly is precisely how some British nationalists define them.
The barman was well before brexit silly, steady now steady, fins got the copy and paste machine going again On N.I. there IS three options, the U.K. had said they favoured the first two, the e.u. wanted the third, then printed the document as though only the third had been agreed. NOTHING had been agreed other than there was 3 options
doh, yer right,my bad, nobody wanted out of the EU before the media started its hate fest. was there not some kind of agreement or treaty where the uk promised in the event of a no deal there would be no had boarder between the north and south of Ireland?.
Fin what do you mean no one wanted out of the eu before the media hate fest? We never signed upto the euro, never joined shengen, pulled out of the erm, blocked a european army and many more. We have always been one foot in one foot out, nothing to do with the media but more common sense as we could see what was coming. The U.K. government gave their prefered two options, the first had no border which is the U.K.'s primary choice as north and south have managed that way mostly for decades, second choice would still not be a hard border but little more than the arrangement similar to the dartford bridge and a dart charge. It has been said often that the eu can do whatever it wants but the U.K. government wants no hard border. With all that is going on, hundreds and thousands of agreements to be made, why do you think the eu is hung up on Ireland?
Fin what do you mean no one wanted out of the eu before the media hate fest? only a small minority fancied there chances out of the EU during the bar mans rise to fame. i aint disputing (to much) yer claim to the "two options". i was just under the impression or maybe its poor recollection of there being some kind of promise made during pre negotiation guaranteeing no hard boarder, even if no trade deal being struck. its all so confusing, in fact, The UK is mired in confusion and political incoherence because the first, and only, political imperative of the British government is to keep the Conservative party together and to placate its frothing fantasists who still dream of empire. Ireland, Scotland, and Wales are all to be sacrificed on the altar of Tory Brexit fantasies. The real reason that Albion is perfidious is because it is governed in the interests of a small and selfish elite and not the interests of Albion. The price of keeping the Conservative party together will be the the failure of the British government to keep the UK together. There are more and more of us who won’t mourn its passing.
Fin, put down that copy and paste echo chamber nonsense, you have more sense than that. The eu are concentrating on Ireland because they are hoping to control northern Ireland as a constant pain in the U.K.'s side by knowing it will set off the Scots saying well if they are in so should we be. They are trying to split up the U.K. They also know even if that doesn't work, they hope to use it as a bluff to get their own way or use it as their original intent, to say we can't negotiate and the U.K. has gone to wto, their intent all along. They could not give a shit about Northern Ireland and that daft twat Varadkar thinks he has some new best friends but they are using Ireland as a pawn. After the U.S. guess who the republics second biggest trading partner is? The U.K.
Nope, if you look at the links and facts I put into the thread for people to read and make their own mind up, hardly any are from the express at all, I tend to go out of my way not to use the express
i use it all the time at work, i get the vat back every time i wipe my arse. fin 2-Whitehall, nul points
Sorry I chuckled fin, but given George Osborne is now the Editor of the Express, I wonder how it would look on "wings" if they knew the ex tory chancellor is offered your poo ring on a regular basis
Oh, so after all this time my borrowing hasn't been anywhere near as bad as i thought? Thank baby Jesus for that, cheers Jezza ps - did he really say that?
Old TB popping his head up again, but this time he's got a different message, i wonder if Junker et al shoot him down as they did when DC popped the same questions? https://news.sky.com/story/former-pm-tony-blair-directs-brexit-attention-towards-europe-11272389
As for our PM, having read reports this morning it sounds as though the EU team have pissed her right off and she's going to show her teeth a little. About time
I've wanted out of the European Project and had been waiting for a chance to vote on it all my adult life. Pretty much everyone I know who voted leave felt the same. Millions of people who voted to join in 1973 had changed their minds before 1980, long before the media caught up with the issue or the Conservative party started using it in their internal power struggles. On the question of Europe, as with so many other issues, the media and the politicians have lagged well behind the voting public.
