British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. not yet, but after brexit they will quite possibly have a fair amount of influence over our health budget and general funding.
    thats Barrnet for yah.
     
  2. I thought you are bald?
     
  3. yip,i am now, thats brexit for yah.
     
  4. You mean, I have hair in spite of Brexit?

    I guess Brexit means different things to different people.
     
  5. yip, but thats a brexit supporting expat for yah.
     
  6. Better to be an ex-pat than never to have been a pat at all.
     
  7. goat, i nearly barfed there.
     
  8. Yeah but you looked goo-ooo-ood.
     
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  9. ...UK fishing fleet is tiny because the UK market is tiny and the industry never invested or took the opportunity to exploit the massive EU market, hence French, Spanish and Dutch state of the art mega fleets hoover it all up from our waters and take it back to their countries. Total missed opportunity......and unlikely to get any better once we've exited....even if we could keep foreign fleets out of our waters the British consumer, by and large, isn't interested in anything other than cod, haddock and salmon.

    You could repeat this for many other industries - why are the Dutch the biggest producers of all sorts of fruit and veg in Europe? We have similar weather, similar constraints with land etc......they invested and we didn't - simple as that. Why did we loose our shipbuilding industry to the Japanese, Koreans, Germans and Italians? Or glass production, or steel, or white goods? The list is endless and it always ends up in lack of vision and investment.

    And these examples are unlikely to change with BREXIT if we are not prepared to invest.
     
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  10. bearing in mind the lack of investment in fishing isnt exactly true, the EU subsidized bigger boats that led to over fishing that led to the need for tougher quotas, if you believe the boat owners are interested in sustainability, you dont know boat owners. and lets not forget, the waters where traded away for the needs of another sector in the first place, been done again, and will be in the future.
    but its not just about the British consumer, its about exports, (we have a 2bill surplus) here on the west coast, its high value crab,prawn and lobster fleets. smaller boats, much more labour intensive, way more value to the local communities that depend on exports with v.low storage times. they never seem to get heard.
    as for the rest, i totally agree. we know who, and what ideology to blame for that, theres not many countries in the world can hit 100years of oil. lose it's industries, and get poorer.
    from our perspective i cant see it ever changing. brexit has handed more power to the unelected, not less.
     
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  11. Brexit will redirect the same power away from unelected Brussels and back to unelected London. The revolution no longer depends upon the schedules of Eurostar and the ferry companies.

    Progress. Baby steps. Think local, for Goat's sake, I keep telling you!
     
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  12. aye, ok loz :p
     
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  13. think local? bit parochial init?
     
  14. Parochial is good, finm.
     
  15. I still get irritated when I think of the government claiming the right to use so called "Henry VIII Powers". What the F gives May the idea we want her to rule by decree.... GRRRRR.
     
  16. See, finm? Revolution is a-brewin'.
     
  17. It will be if she doesn't wind her neck in; she will find a leopard print shoe somewhere the sun has never and still doesn't shine!
     
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  18. not quite the revolution your thinking tho. our powers are being eroded as is, with the rise in influence of the britnat, watch them diminish more.
     
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  19. "Across the world countries have an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) which extends 200 nautical miles from the country’s coastline. Within this zone each country can exploit, control and manage the sea in any way they wish. Within Europe it was seen as beneficial to have a more harmonious system – if fishermen from different EU nations were to fish the same waters it was seen as beneficial to bring them all together under the same legislation and rules. The Common Fisheries Policy therefore stated that member nations would only control an area of sea extending twelve miles out from their coastline. The rest of their EEZ would be combined with other member nations to create the largest EEZ in the world (as the picture below shows).
    This meant that EU fishermen could effectively fish anywhere in the EU’s EEZ, and the same rules and regulations would apply to all. Fishermen from any EU nation can fish freely within any other EU countries waters (although licensing and quotas still apply).
    The CFP attempts to limit the number of fishing vessels operating in EU waters. The EU’s own web portal states that: “Most fishing fleets in the EU are much too big compared to the available fish resources.” The EU therefore attempts to limit the size of the fleet and keeps a register of all fishing vessels and officially states that the size of the fleet cannot be larger than 2003-04 levels. The attempts to control fleet size have been heavily criticised
    Part of the remit of the common fisheries is to carry out, commission and gather scientific research which is then used to inform debates and set TACs. However, the findings of this research are often ignored or contested by the various nations vying for the best deal they can get for their own fishermen within the CFP.
    Subsidies: Subsidies are one of the most controversial aspects of the CFP. Subsidies are absolutely essential to the EU’s fishing fleet as the entire fleet actually runs at a loss and requires subsidies to make it profitable. Around one billion Euros are paid out every year.

    From a British perspective this shared EEZ can be seen as a very bad deal. In 2015, EU vessels caught 683,000 tonnes of fish worth £484 million in UK waters, but UK vessels only caught 111,000 tonnes worth £114 million revenue in EU member states’ waters. In parts of the Celtic Sea (which prior to the CFP would have been controlled by the UK) French fishermen have the right to catch three times more Dover sole and four times more cod than British fishermen. Around 40% of the Danish fishing fleet’s total catch comes from the 200-mile zone which Britain would control if it was not in the CFP, and some Danish fishing communities rely entirely on catching fish within the bounds of what used to be Britain’s territorial waters. Clearly the Common Fisheries Policy and its shared EEZ has been immensely beneficial to some groups within Europe’s fishing industry, but those who now have to share what used to be their fishing grounds with others may not take such a positive view.

    The shared EEZ can also lead to conflict. For example French scallop fishermen reacted with violence when British fishermen were dredging for scallops just outside of the French twelve mile zone during a period when the French were refraining from scallop fishing to allow stocks to recover. However, since the British fishermen were outside of French waters and (just) within the EU Exclusive Economic Zone they were doing nothing wrong, although this so-called Scallop War does underline the issues of countries only controlling a small proportion of the seas around their nation. The same can be seen in Britain’s attempts to ban pair-trawling for bass. This method of commercial fishing sees two vessels moving through the sea with a vast net between them. While being a highly effective method of fishing it is destructive and has been responsible for large numbers of dolphins and porpoises being killed by the nets. Britain banned pair trawling for bass in 2004 due but as this can only be enforced within twelve miles of Britain’s coastline other EU vessels can still pair trawl 12½ miles off the UK coast".

    http://britishseafishing.co.uk/common-fisheries-policy-cfp/

     
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