I do feel there is enough thinking within politics that if they have a say on the end agreement, then by simply refusing anything brought to the table will see brexit end. It is my suspicion they will attempt to keep doing this till the 31st of December 2020 when we will be all clear from the eu as that is when our full obligation finishes within the eu and so will get dragged into the next 7 year cycle. If you look at the negotiations, we have a hard border already between Spain and Gibraltar and between the eu and Turkey but also on most countries that border the eu gated community so having some form of hard border is not a problem but is actually mandated in the eu standards. The Irish border issue therefore is not a concern for the eu but is simply a pawn in trying to use it and the people of all of Ireland. true, as long as the eu which could not convince the British people through project fear, continue to have the house of lords doing there dirty work for them, the eu will still keep playing these games which had the government done as they were told and announce wto straight away, then the last two years would not have been so mucky and the next two years would not be needed. This is annoying not only for brexiteers but for business who want to plan and could have planned had we gone straight to wto but also many remainers who by now are probably like the rest who are asking why this has taken so long.
Every side in a dual negotiation hopes for a win win but it helps when both sides want to negotiate of which the eu has not sought too. Of interest is that they have announced today that the 2020-2027 eu budget not only suggests there will be 30% less to protect farmers in the eu as subsidy which will hit France quite hard, but they are also suggesting that the countries who get more out that they put in will now be getting far less . At the same time however good old Junker is suggesting also that the eu budget actually be raised to increase towards more security, more immigration, etc to 1.25 trillion euro's. From his speech despite denying it for many years, it is clear they seek to start a central budget regime to control all countires budgets from brussels https://www.ft.com/video/2239809d-6c1d-49de-8ac7-6c78435d66e5
The time to walk out of negotiations was two days after the referendum-the day immediately after it to write the Article 50 letter and the next day to deliver and say the goodbyes. And then just get on with extracting us from the whole ghastly,excruciating nightmare,one step at a time. All these delays are designed to give Remoaners a chance to get get steam up for a second Referendum,the useless fucking witch even called an Election to try and get the Torys out of delivering on the result. Should there ever be a second vote,I'm 100% confident it would be leave with a greater majority-the very few Remoaners* I know have changed their minds,aghast at the childish spite and vitriol displayed by so-called EU professionals. The only reason I'm against it is because the so-called Liberal-but-really-fascists-in-pink-pussy-hats and their evil cohorts wouldn't ever be satisfied with that-they'd demand a third,then a fourth...the meaning of democracy is lost on them *Except those who are paid by the taxpayer,especially the uniform wearers...they are dyed-in-the-wool addicts to Joe Publics money-once they've had their snouts in the public sector trough,they are addicted to enjoying life at everyone elses expense.
Nope, the biggest worry is that we will still end up going to wto and could have avoided 4 years of division caused by the eu and remaining politicians, by going to wto straight away. The eu said it was going to punish us for being free thinking and perhaps they didn't mean financially.
theresa's big plan. Sane people across the nation have watched in growing disbelief for the last two years as the UK government’s catastroshambles over Brexit has unfolded. In the latest jaw-dropping developments, David Davies has revealed that he’s only just now thinking of STARTING negotiating a trade deal with the EU – 22 months after the referendum and with absolutely no idea of how to solve the Irish Question on which it all depends. Meanwhile, Faisal Islam of Sky News has made the pertinent point that the one “land-based” border between the UK and mainland Europe, the Channel Tunnel, has no infrastructure in place for serving as a checkpoint because it was fundamentally never designed or envisaged for a Europe without the UK, and the UK government has done absolutely nothing in the last two years to prepare for that changing. And the more ludicrously chaotically and ineptly the whole farce plays out, the more it’s only possible to come to one rational conclusion about it: that the Prime Minister’s grand plan for enacting Brexit is to fail. It’s easy to overlook that May was a Remainer. An analogous situation would be to imagine that Scotland had voted very narrowly Yes to independence in 2014 and then immediately elected a Scottish Labour government to implement it. How committed do you imagine that government would be to securing the will of the people? So why would Theresa May be any different? Deep down she doesn’t want to leave the EU, but she has no Parliamentary escape route open – Labour are a complete trainwreck with no idea what their position is and couldn’t be relied on in any vote. If it came to any sort of actual decision they’d probably abstain again. So all she can really do is make such an absolutely ham-fisted dog’s breakfast of it that come March 2019 she can say “Look, we tried but this simply can’t be done – in reality there is no way to leave the EU”. And so far, it’s going well: And England would rage hard, but what could it actually do? UKIP effectively no longer exists as a political party. Labour, as noted, is a nest of ferrets that doesn’t know what it stands for on the subject and is in any event still far too busy tearing itself to pieces in purity wars over anti-Semitism and gendered shortlists and God only knows what else. And the Lib Dems are no threat because people aren’t going to express their fury over a failed Brexit by voting for a MORE pro-EU party. In the past year, as the head of the most demonstrably, spectactularly incompetent UK government in all of history, May has seen her personal ratings as “best option for PM” versus Jeremy Corbyn INCREASE significantly. From behind or level pegging a year ago, she now leads by between 10 and 14 points in recent polling. Even if May herself fell on her sword – and in the current political climate of brazening things out, that’s far from a certainty – the Tories have overturned Labour’s slim lead of most of 2017 to now be consistently a few points ahead. Were they to replace May with a hard-Brexiter like Jacob Rees-Mogg, blaming the opposition and the EU for the failure and vowing (emptily and cynically) to pursue the goal with renewed vigour, they could probably count on victory. Failing to deliver Brexit at all increasingly looks like the least bad of a set of terrible options for Theresa May. And for those who never wanted out of the EU in the first place, that sounds like a good result. But achieving it by such a route would be a bit like avoiding having a runaway explosives truck crash into a chemical-weapons factory by diverting it into a primary school. Even the relatively-orderly version (the so-called Brexit In Name Only) would be an incredible worst-of-all-worlds mess which would ultimately only postpone the day of reckoning, while simply continuing the apparent current strategy of letting the entire process blunder onto the rocks and run out of time would be even worse, miring the economy in impossible uncertainty for years and years. Lots to look forward to, then. No pressure.
in some parts yes, in others no. I saw him in a commons committee yesterday where he said 75% is done but the remaining 25% is the real butt hurt stuff. going to wto would have avoided most of this, I'm a firm believer of K.I.S.S. Sometimes with the papers and tv, some look at the unrealistic part and it's not the parts you think. What people keep forgetting is that if the 2017 election had gone the other way and Corbyn would be in Government, it would be far worse. He has always hated the eu, his momentum masters/london elite love the eu, there would have been internal war on a far grander scale reflecting back into the unrest. On that basis May was/is the better option than Corbyn The other part some seem confused on, the difference between transition period and implementation period. An implementation period means everything is agreed and all we are doing is now putting it into place. A transition period means that you can keep fine running all the way till the end of the period which is worrying given the eu has said we will have to accept all new rules during that transition period so we have to be firm and say what is ready by march 2019 gets in, anything else is if we decide. I am concerned whether hard or soft brexit, it will still need an immigration increase mostly at ports and with the fishing an increase in navy and ships. I've yet to see any adverts for new posts in the immigration service for this increase, a proposed increase in the immigration budget and very little on how we will protect our fishing from the eu rascally rustlers and poachers
doom...gloom...doom...gloom...yawn. The human brain rationalises things so that hot assumes everything will be worse than it really is, or everything will be better than not really is. Funny enough, its never as good nor as bad when it happens. And, amazingly, we get through it and carry on regardless
I sailed from Calais to the UK a couple of years ago, 2 days after the Brexit vote actually. I could have sworn I passed a camp of people who couldn't just walk into the UK, had to go through check points and show my passport. Did I dream that? apparently we have an open border with no checks in place.
Interesting side event but linked. A petition to raise the question in the house about giving the electorate a referendum on the abolition of the house of lords. Once it gets to 155,000 it warrants a government response. It is an official government poll and not a change .org which is not official. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/209433
