British Indy: What Happens Now?

Now that we're including pie charts I could possibly get away with keeping this thread open at work.

Good job chaps

Could someone chart the outrage level for me please of remainers over the course of the last 12 months?

Also perhaps create a spreadsheet of the average IQ of those thicko leavers?

Appreciate it

 

Presumably the remainers outrage chart would be off the scale in comparison?

 

I bet she's shitting her lederhosen over threats from the French.

Macron is purely a poster boy puppet, Merkel knows that and if the French fancied going toe to toe against Germany each with their own currencies back I'm afraid Germanys economy would trounce the French.

 

Yep, its all going to shit when you look at that.

Problem is that Merkel effectively opened the floodgates, ok not that economic migration wasn't happening before, but her 'seal of approval / doors are open policy ' encouraged far more than ever anticipated. Whether she likes it or not thats lead to many more issues within other countries and they're now getting pissed off. I dare say that she also indirectly caused many deaths at sea, i appreciate thats going a bit far but she gave hope where perhaps there was less incentive before, now smugglers base their business model on the morals of the EU and the travellers just get dumped at sea.

Its just ridiculous and needs sorting.

You have the Northern EU partners trying to suggest to those on the southern coast that they still have to open the ports, when in fact they're just passing the buck.

The EU, whether they like it or not will have to start having some form of country borders, its the only way to get a control on it.

 

Yep, to a degree.

But you can't fix or hope to stop economic migrants in any short term, genuine asylum seekers are different, but economic migrants will continue to travel to Europe as long as the safety net is there for the smugglers and their own countries are running a much smaller economy.

Even if the world made a more conscious effort to help develop those countries it'd take years and years, plus possibly require troops to flush out various gorilla factions to create stability and safety.

It's idealism at its finest which isn't a bad thing, but it's not something that could be done without it getting a whole lot messier first.

Before that the situation still needs fixing, smugglers will continue to run people out to sea, and they'll have queues of travellers ready unless something changes.

Merkel did nothing to calm that, and now the problem is much bigger than it was ever imagined, especially for all Southern European countries

 

Economic migrants will continue to come to Europe as long as the wealthy nations screw their homelands over, steal all their natural resources and then bomb what is left ( including innocent people) to oblivion.

 

A positive result for one sleepy town which is nice, unfortunately countered by far more negative effects on others.

Whether people approve of it or not, and I suspect those that approve are a long long way from the towns and cities transformed by the migrants, it's causing huge political and economic challenges.

As you say, the very essence of one of the EUs sacred cornerstones (FOM) is on a knife edge due to the head in the sand attitude of those unaffected (safely in a funded ivory tower)

'Populism' is rife (although that's such a shit term to use) and that brings more issues than simply questioning FOM, it brings far more awkward questions about currency, enforced austerity from a far, and quite frankly people are rejecting the EU in its current guise from every bloody corner.

It's not Brexit that's done this, it's an ever ignorant establishment running it headed up by condescending nut jobs like junker.

People may not like Brexit and I get that, but surely to christ those same people can't seriously say that the EU is well ran or equal to its members.

 

Well Sturgeon has recently said all are welcome, I wonder if the north sea will get some more traffic?

 

Yes they will, but it's those in power who make such decisions and those in power that remain unaffected.

Hence the rejection of it all by the voters.

There's no short term fix other than reinstating boarders, that's where this is heading I'll bet money on it.

 

i guess living a way up there,in yon ivory tower you will have missed the bit where sturgion and co fully understand the immigration issues elsewhere, in fact, they will have spent their entire lives pointing out the emigration issues we have due to the wealth and decision making drawn to the south and east by govs you have no doubt been voting for.
i dont know if the paper boy has been delivering to those heady heights, so you might not be aware that we have been calling for powers over immigration, you may not even care that it was one of the many carrots offered up here during brexit, but......

 

No it won't, the UK leaving won't help.

But had boarder sovereignty been acknowledged back when David Cameron asked the EU commission, and not just been considered for the UK but for all members, then perhaps the situation wouldn't have been able to escalate in the manner which it did / has.

Ignoring the seas for a minute, the land movements of economic migrants were again far easier for them to continue as EU member states were told not to close any boarders, all for the love of their precious FOM, and this is after one of the head members (Germany) waved the welcome mat.

What ensued was frankly overwhelming for most other EU members, Germany stocked up on cheap labour to keep the industrial fires burning (don't kid yourselves that's not what it was about) and then to then rub salt in the wound the EU then threatened the other EU members who didn't want to accept a set quota.

All because Germany the true head of the EU made a decision without consulting. It sounds tin hat, but Germany whom I have a lot of respect for tends to pull the strings at the EUs table.

The idea of FOM is great in an idealistic way when everyone is on a level playing field, and everyone benefits equally, but they're not, and they don't, especially when it comes to having the wealth and resources to deal with migration on this level and the further negative impact on the often already run down and poorer regions within the home country.

There's multiple tiers to the EU membership, and that's never been more apparent than of late. It is not a rosey happy collection of equals by any stretch. Just ask Greece, Italy and Spain.

Brussels are selling a dream, it's a marketing exercise nowadays and papering over the cracks whilst denouncing anyone who questions them as 'populist' as though that's immediately associated with far right.

It's a blinkered view and frankly I find Brussels condescending on a level I never thought possible.

The EU might work, but it needs it's own swamp draining first because those wankers in charge are a bunch of frauds.

 

Immigration to and from Scotland should indeed be the business of the Scottish, I agree.