British Indy: What Happens Now?

Possibly more smaller parties than the usual two party ping pong every 4 years. How many people do you know who said, I can't stand my party at the moment but I'm not voting for the other side? because of that people become disillusioned with politics and apathetic to a point they do not vote.

If there was a non of the above on the ballet paper, it might change the two party structure we have or might make them more accountable as non of the above becomes a third party

 

Then you advocate proportional representation?

 

I'm not adverse to it.

 

PR does come with its own inadequacies, but it would seem the best way to end the two party system which doesn't satisfy many and effectively prevents new political parties.

 

Would PR see a redrawing of the boundaries? Labour will always get more heritage votes, given working class and all that, so wouldn't it need to be realigned?

TBF brexit was PR, the side that lost still refused to accept it...

 

There is an argument that the Toreies will have a similar hertiage group too? However, look overseas and marvel (or not) how new political parties appear and create change. Macron is a prime example of this. People might feel able to vote for a party that shares their ideals (or says it does) as opposed to voting for the party they dislike least. With hopefully less people feeling disenfranchised there would be a reduction in the confrontational attitude, and greater acceptance of compromise.

 

Tories will have heritage, but as they traditionally employed the unwashed, there will be far fewer.

Anything that creates choice based on policies and action, over set in concrete voting practices, has my support

LimDems were doing that until they had a sniff of power...funny old world

 

Works incredibly well in Italy with new elections being held on average about every 18 months

That said the current system in the UK has basically failed and something needs to be done about it

 

Yes there are definitely some problems too. Still being stuck with May or Corbyn, never having any new parties - UKIP got 12.8% of the vote in 2015 and no representation. Green issues are totally sidelined. I would vote in favor of PR.

 

Listing to the news this morning looks like another EU referendum is gaining support if we were to have another vote and the re-moaners win would we then have another vote make it the best of three
If we did now stay in the EU were would May get the extra money from she's promised the NHS
What a cock up 2 year's of f/ing about

 

Of course it's bollocks it's pampering to the masses politicians wouldn't know the truth if they fell over it
Politicians dont work for the benefit of the public they only concern is to get re-elected so they can keep on the gravy train

 

Heard her interview this morning. Think they missed the killer question: leave had been decided, it’s tyen method of leave. So surely it’s a straight fight between PM plan and just leave?

She is trying to soften by using two choices, like mayoral systems.

 

If we haven't got a deal come time to leave we should just leave if we haven't got a deal stop paying into the EU money pit, pretty confident the crap will soon sort itself out the EU need us more than we need them a large proportion of the EU member countries have economies no better than 3rd world countries that the UK are helping to support

 

And therein lies the whole problem with all this. Its all about me me me me me me me me.......... The world would soon cease to function if everyone took that attitude.

Any deal made with any country outside the EU would still be a compromise. Its not going to be biased in the UKs favour.

 

And there in lies the whole problem, remain voters immediately assume (conveniently) that the UK leaving the EU means we won't do any collaborative work, research, funding and or charitable development projects with any other nations.

Leaving the EU is not a slight against another country, it is about removing ourselves from a political project headed up by non heads of state.

The EU is not a country or a continent, it is merely a protective trading block which rather ironically continuously says "it's all about me me me me me"

Funny thing that

 

Surprisingly I would agree with you and not surprisingly not in the way you hope. The it's all about memememe, does exist in brexit , they are mostly on the remain side and the types who constantly think "I like it how it is now and I don't want anything to change, I am comfy, I hate change"

And yet pretty much most on the other side ,the brexiteers have said have said all along, it's about the kids and grandkids

I don't think anyone who wants brexit as it should be, is looking for it to be biased to the U.K. when talking about an agreed deal, we'd like our main points covered and a fair deal with the eu.

Should that fail then yes through wto and fair trade deals we'd like to get the best deal for the U.K. who ever we deal with.

To pick up on Robs point duke, not once have you promoted the U.K. you put it down with every opportunity you can get and constantly go on about retiring to France. Your hatred of the U.K. drives most of your posts within these discussions, not sure why but it's evident never the less.

 

You do realise we too are headed up by non heads of state. Those EU guys are civil servants of the same type of non elected civil servants that run our own country. Politicians just set policy, its the CS that runs this place. Not the politicians.

Although I am not sure who sets policy on eu as MEP's are about as anonymous as the uk's CS are. Its no wonder the general public are confused coz I am too.

I just wish we'd get it all sorted coz Im fed up with the whole charade. Clean break, merged break, minor break. I honestly do not care anymore and I'd bet most of us are the same. Just get it done, so we can get back to crappy celeb stories in press.