British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. It may stop in name as an eu agreement but honestly, the idea we will have ships at the ports not unloading till we find a name for what is about to happen is pure remainerism

    Actually I would say we are more likely to keep trading from 1 minute past 11pm on the 29th of March next year, than your suggestion we won't.

    Do you have a single bit of evidence that you and your y2ker's can hold up as fact that we will stop trading?

    Depending on how stupid the eu wants to be, the only thing that will change will be whether our imports and cash are with the eu or with countries waiting to steal eu business
     
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  2. CCC was introduced 93/95. Before that the systems were already in place. Substantially upgraded since but the process is little changed. The platform is there. Do you subscribe to the whole world stopping at midnight next March? Using reality in your comments is a stretch. But if it floats your boat I'll not make waves to upset your gloom. Keep listening to Adonis, the BBC and you'll be at peace with the world.
     
  3. We will indeed. So far little of what the ardent remainers have forecast has come true. Just one little aspect, if you think the German car industry is going to kick 20% of it's market into the long grass then you're probably safe in your thoughts.
     
  4. You forget we have a 2 year transition period. Lets not play silly buggers and pretend that there will be a total no deal. For a start Parliament won't vote for a no deal and they have a meaningful vote on the outcome don't forget.

    Airbus will get no wings etc after march next year etc etc , really ! Even if you believe the hysteria about moving every factory who trades with the eu out of the uk, that's gonna happen over night and they can wait for the wings until it does ?

    What a load of tosh.
     
  5. Not latch on to y2k, it's remainers like you that so fit the bill whatever the scenario. The world is going to end unless we do as you say.

    There is far more to support that even if we go to free trade and wto that the eu will still want a useful slice of the U.K. pie. I guaranty you that if we do go to to free trade and wto, the eu comission will be using " Hey U.K. old buddy old pal, we know you can spend anywhere in the world pals, but don't forget us old chums"

    Because wto/free trade opens our markets up to the world without any eu red tape meaning we can make any deal we want and being the 5th biggest economy, we have a lot of pie to sell and buy. No matter what you think of the political opinion, the eu companies will not want to lose any of that market share they currently hold.

    Why? because the eu themselves know that 90% of economic growth will come from OUTSIDE of the eu

    Then knew this in 2015/2016 http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getAllAnswers.do?reference=E-2015-014997&language=EN

    They knew this in 2017 https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-has-shrunk-percentage-world-economy/

    and they know it now.

    You still have to put up anything that would suggest trade would stop at 11pm next March, could you?
     
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  6. No agreement at all means no transition period.

    Which means that from 30 March next year everything trade wise would be different regardless of where it comes from or is going too.
     
  7. I think that sums up your entire argument input
     
  8. How do non EU trade, is that under WTO?
     
  9. Depends whether they have an agreement with the EU.
     
  10. Oh my god, it's just hit me! This is going to be like Y2K and not joining the Euro; an absolute disaster again, what the hell are we going to do?

    Stay Calm and Just Carry On!

    This photo was used in a European website to put across the image of Brexit voters. I get very wound up by the media painting anyone who doesn't believe in the European Project as a poorly educated, racist and unable to make an informed decision. Just remember who they are in 5 years time ;)
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    It is also something many of them feel can be blamed on those over whom Britain’s educated professionals usually have day-to-day political, economic and social control — the working-class, provincial, poor and elderly who were over-represented among Leave voters.
     
  11. Oh and here's an alternative view on the additional costs for exporters from a company who....export. Ha, what do they know!
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  12. That's totally dependent on what the WTO tariff is for his business. And his business is mainly exporting.

    A company that imports into the UK will have to pay the tariff on inward goods which will be passed on to you and me.

    Have a read of this to see how complex it can be.
    https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/trade-tariff/sections
     
  13. The Duke view

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  14. Now forgive me if I am wrong but aren't those the wto tariff rules whilst we are IN the eu for when dealing with non eu countries?

    I believe they are which might explain the unecesary complexity. The rules are deliberately complex because they have to be applied to all of the 28 countries who vary themselves considerably.

    Leaving the eu means we can write our own tarifs in our own way to reflect one single nation so probably not the best example to use duke for your side, but a good example how leaving can make life far easier
     
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  15. We work under EU trade agreement tariffs now. In future we can have imports from outside the EU at reduced rates. The EU is basically a protectionist trading block, particularly when it comes to agriculture:

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    So these are the worst cases. Surely there will be a lot of rebalancing, for example:

    Meat – All the Irish beef will be subject to equally high tariffs so their exports to the UK will die. To be replaced by a lot of consumers buying the most keenly priced UK meats instead of imports. We need to then sell more meat to the USA and other non EU markets.

    Balance – The EU brings in a much higher value to the UK than we export to them, so they will be hit with these high tariffs in the other direction. Result will be consumers picking UK manufactured/grown products, all good for our trade imbalance.

    The worst the EU can do to "impede UK access to the Single Market" is impose maximum WTO-allowed tariffs. These are very modest, often zero and almost all below 5%. And they will only apply to the 13% of the economy that is EU exports (17% is ROW exports and 70% is generated internally). And if they do impose them, because of the trade deficit our likely tit-for-tat tariffs will 'earn' us more. Which is why they probably wouldn't do it.
     
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  16. Cant be true Kirky. The wTO allies to EVERYONE EXCEPT the UK. Must be true, Ducati forum says so.
     
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  17. Yes, France is a long way off for him now :thinkingface:
     
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  18. Merde! :(
     
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  19. Buying shite meat from the USA just because it's cheap.

    Great idea.

    We will see who is right.
     
  20. But but but I can't see anything?

    You won't duke, that only takes pounds and not euros
     
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