British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. We'll still be able to get Papaya though right?

    I do hope so o_O
     
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  2. Baton down the hatches.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45516678

    And before the Brexit hate mob wade in..........this is the Govt appointed head of the UK bank. Not some bloke down the street who once went to an economics lesson in school.
     
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  3. I have a sneaking suspicion duke is mark carney
     
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  4. Are you referring to Osburne, then a failed journalist, who at the age of 33 was chosen to be Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer (by Micheal Howard another failiure) after Cameron & Hague turned it down? If so I have to take issue with you. There is no confirmed record of any attendance of an economics lesson in Osborne's schooling. Gideon became Chancellor without any commercial or academic background in economics, or in fact anything at all. The results are there for all to see. Trebled national debt being the most obvious.
     
  5. makes you wonder in the world of finance that that was always the plan.
     
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  6. It's always refreshing to see duke re-affirm government appointed people are all experts and duke supports them. In fact I remember his exultation when David Davis was appointed and Dominic Raab and supreme confidence in government appointments he had then as he does now.
     
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  7. The young remainers should be happy, can't please everyone.
     
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  8. Not necessarily my views but an alternative one for balance.

    ]If you mean once the U.K. leaves the European union will the right wing and the ultra right wing get stronger or weaker? I would have to say weaker and marginalised.

    The U.K. with the third largest amount of MEP's within the European parliament, was often seen as the whinging whiners against all types of common practice amongst countries and a source for fueling discontent. I think this was because we have always been one foot in and one foot out, so never really committed to the project unlike most other nations MEPs who work hard to achieve agreement within the EU which creates continuity and progressive improvements to the EU as a whole. The absence of Farage's obstructionist approach is certain to cause a change.

    With the U.K. no longer there, I suspect more countries will adopt a less combative approach as the EU is a good investment for them and their electorate. Not one other country has indicated that they would seek to leave the EU including the fiesty Hungarians this week. Within that, the EU politics will ebb and flow from right to left as is always the case. Unfortunately as solidified EU project might make the people from the lunatic fringe scream the sky is falling at every opportunity and sadly the far right could also grow as Nationalism often does...
     
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  9. Yeah but no

    You say the brits leaving will remove the whingers from the eu whilst ignoring the greater amount of countries rising about how unhappy they are with the eu.

    Austria, Poland, Switzerland, Hungary, Sweden, France, Slovakia, Italy, Greece etc etc etc and yes even Germans. You can try and describe them as a lunatic fringe as tends to be the way of liberal lefties but one constant link is making all of these countries see a rise in wanting change, not europe, not europe working together but the arrogance of the eu comission and the eu project under their control.
     
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  10. How many are leaving the EU?
     
  11. One so far, how many are unhappy with it?
     
  12. You have to be in the discussion to make changes. The fact that there is discussion and change confirms the situation is healthy and a normal political situation. When even the Victor Orban states the likelyhood of leaving the EU is nil, it is clear that members of both sides of the discussion are able to support their common goals.
     
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  13. There are discussions but very little changes, if there were, you would not be seeing a rise not only in the right but also the dissatissfaction with the eu

    There is an old saying as you have used something similar, you have to be in it to win it. However the eu isn't offering anything to win and that is why it is having the problems it is having.

    This is seeing the rise of just how relevant is the eu project? with more and more countries seeming to wish to go back to a national identity
     
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  14. unless something negative happens to, say a former member that also just happens to have benefited greatly from its prior membership..
    having the tory/kippers out of there, no longer poking at the immigration crisis with its grievance stick can only be a good thing.
    thats assuming the word on the ground re the immigration crisis isn't being greatly amplified by a press and brexit supporting elite thats got a lot to gain from brexit.
     
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  15. Given europe itself now recognises the migration crisis is now their biggest fear and reason for much of the dissent, it would seem the eu recognise the warning the "tory ukippers" as you put it (despite 38% of Scots and many labour supporters also voted out) had a point, did they not :D
     
  16. no not really, yip, there is a migration crisis, its how its perceived tho init? as yer man Garry tank commander says, deal wi it or dingy it, deal wi it or dingy it?. i think there is a vast majority that want to "deal wi it".
    not run away run away from it, while promoting the advantages from it, the advantages being, a 19th' century capitalist/industrialist's wet dream.
     
  17. When you try and deal with it but are called a racist and xenophobe when you are not then perhaps there is a point to saying you know what, we warned you this would happen, you didn't listen, instead you turned on us and hatefully labelled us wrongly so thanks but no thanks

    The proof in the pudding has always been lets see what happens next, in the eu's case it is not getting better and by a substantial margin. They can no longer blame the Brits so what other member countries will they turn on next to save the project?
     
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  18. Of 28 nations who joined only one has left. All the others are more than content to remain a part of the EU. No member country has a government which has been elected on the basis of changing their countries commitment although most if not all have held elections within the last two years and are content to continue the discussion.

    Seemingly they are aware on which side they believe the butter is located. They may or may not be correct.
     
    #15460 Jez900ie, Sep 14, 2018
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