In exactly the same vein,why should the UK voting public suffer because Ireland likes being in the EU? We,(I'm one of them),voted to leave the EU and all it's institutions,(didn't Ireland vote against the EU but was compelled to re-run the referendum until the right result was reached?),and it's not my fault or my problem that Ireland may suffer some detriment...the Irish are not a teenage girl wandering about on a dark street under the influence,they are a country ffs...it's bad enough that Irish citizens have the right to vote in UK general elections,(and I know there is reciprocity),but to expect a country to of 60? 70? million to bend over because less than 5 million are unhappy is taking the whole minority thing too far. I'm fairly certain that had the UK and Irish governments been negotiating,the border issue would be minimal-in the same way that people cross the border between Norway and Sweden without hindrance,(but truck drivers have to go through a brief procedure involving paperwork),but the problem is not Ireland,it's the EU negotiating team.They don't want the UK cash cow to leave,nor do they want to be booted out of 90% of the worlds richest fishing grounds,so the border,(despite working extremely well in other places as stated),is May & Barniers excuse for keeping us in. The border issue is smoke and mirrors,nothing else. Btw,I was referring to May & Hammond: THEY are more interested in getting the EU a good deal than they are in the future of the UK.
My worry here and it's not a scary worry but more of a sad worry, The eu had always hoped to put it to no deal as the early days of punish the U.K. for leaving, I feel still exists. By playing politics with a technical issue such as the border, the eu have played varadkar who is clearly a pawn. He is a poor politician but is peacocking whilst the eu keep telling him that he and the republic are important. He looks upto the eu like a love sick puppy and isn't asking the right questions of them. Once the deal or no deal is actually done, I foresee Ireland being largely ignored again by the eu. They will start to talk about the apple tax situation again which they put on hold whilst this is going on. Apart from that I think it will become more obvious that the eu used Ireland which , this shouldn't be a surprise to many as the commissioners only goal is to protect the project above anything and anyone else. Yes Ireland needs the eu more than the eu needs ireland, it was mentioned sometime ago that there are only a very few countries who could afford to leave the eu and rebuild afterwards, but ireland is a great country and it will make the decisions for itself just as the U.K. is now.
Probably not the best aticle for your daily nonsense article as within it , it says this The group told investors it was confident it would continue to comply with relevant ownership and control regulations in the UK post-Brexit, but was having extensive engagement with relevant regulators to ensure its interests were protected. “Even if there is no Brexit deal, both the EU and the UK have said they will put an agreement in place that allows flights to continue.”
very few countries who could afford to leave the eu and rebuild afterwards, teehee. 2trill in debt, 14mill in poverty, credit ratting dropping, probable recession on the way, even before brexit. how will the uk afford the cost of brexit? thats before the human costs, freedom of movement ect. i guess they will do what they always do, shaft those with the least influence in Parliament. *warning, Scottish content*. screw the fisherman on the way out, as they did on the way in? decline to hand over CAP payments earmarked for another country, as they have been doing already? sell of more of our services? sell licenses to manufacture iconic goods? it cant be the oil there hoping will rescue the economy is it?, its been running out since 1978. . This piece ran in the Telegraph – a newspaper with no Scottish edition and almost no Scottish sales – on Friday. Our favorite line is: “Think of what the UK would be like without the vast wealth generated by the 44bn barrels of oil pumped from British territory over the last 40 years.” (Curiously, this is a rather different line to the one Critchlow took during the indyref, when he was the Telegraph’s full-time business news editor penning a string of articles about how bankrupt an independent Scotland would be despite possessing an asset that’s now apparently big enough to prop up an economy 12 times Scotland’s size.) It’s worth keeping in mind whenever Unionists tell us (a) how volatile and worthless and used-up oil is, (b) how much Scotland depends on the kind benevolence of the UK to survive, and (c) why we can’t have another referendum until years after Brexit.
Fin like it or not, the snp's wish to become independent, to then give it away as soon as they can to the eu, proves they perpetuate the scenario, they will always need a sugar daddy.
where as being a colonial master, you excel? i think colonial is gonna be my word of the day. fugging colonials.
As far as I'm aware it's not the population of Ireland that are asking the population of the UK to 'bend over'. The conundrum has been brought about due to the actions/promises of the UK Govt. The Irish Govt (who admittedly represent the people), asked the UK Govt after the referendum 'what will happen with the new EU border? i.e. the old NI/Republic border'. No-one who lives along the border, on either side, wants to see the re-instatement of a 'hard' border, which is the obvious consequence, as it brings back far too many painful memories of the Troubles and runs the risk of re-igniting certain paramilitary factions, both unionists and nationalists. The EU also asked the question as there was now going to have be a new customs border put in place. It was the UK Govt who offered the solution 'we promise there'll be no hard border' without, in my opinion, fully thinking it through. With all due respect, it may not be your personal fault or your problem that the people of Ireland who live along the border, on both sides, may suffer some detriment but it is as a direct consequence of a decision taken by the UK Govt. Why should those people suffer because of a decision by a foreign Govt? It's not just those in the Republic, it is just as much the population of the North, part of the UK, who will suffer if a hard border is re-instated. I agree, things would very well have been different. I also agree with your sentiment that, more than anything, it is the EU negotiating team that have pumped up the border situation. For obvious reasons they want to make it as difficult for a member country to exit, if it's too easy, others might start thinking about doing the same and before long the entire EU edifice could collapse. Also, if the UK manage to 'cherry pick' too much, other countries will ask for the same. And, yes the UK is one of the larger contributors to the EU budget and, after it's left, the other countries will have to pay more as a % of their GDP, hence an instruction to Barnier to make it as difficult as possible and to extract as much money as a settlement as possible. I don't agree it's May's excuse for keeping the UK in but I can see where Barnier is coming from. Noted. However, I can't see what's in it for them and why they'd side with the EU against the UK.
Very possibly. In the tough negotiations that have been going on, and still are, I do believe Barnier and his team have used the Irish border as a tactic and I do suspect Ireland is being used as a pawn in this great chess game. FYI, the Apple tax situation is thus; Apple have paid the €13billion and it's currently held in escrow whilst the legal machinations rumble on. Apple and the Republic of Ireland are appealing the fine on the basis a) Apple only acted on advice given by the Irish Revenue Commissioners and, b) from Ireland's perspective a member state is permitted to make their own sovereign decisions when it comes to tax, provided it isn't state aid; which they argue it wasn't. It'll take years before it comes before the EU Court. I agree there is, in my opinion, a strong sentiment to protect the project that is the EU.
We are charging towards what should have been anyway: just exit and take our chances. Its sooooo exciting
It will be interesting to see if May can pull this off. Failiure will mean a new PM within a weeks and maybe a General Election. "Crashing out" seems to be off the menu, but I wouldn't rule it out. I wonder if any moire cabinet seats will be empty in the morning?
