So Italy told the EU to go fuck themselves, they will do their own budgets, Hungry has told the EU to get stuffed, they ain't plying the multiculturalism game, which seems to have gone so well in other EU places. Personally I dont give a flying fuck about Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland, I don't like the EU the way it is and they have no plans to change. I have made up my mind up about the EU. They own fuck all, they don't have land, they are an administration paid for by members.
Why dude, people were well and truly pissed off with it all. The EU refused to change, to be fair Cameron tried to tell them, other MEP's tried telling the EU. They are to blame, not the people of the UK.
Despite her very poor performance; the diabolical strategy mistakes on the election; the way she ran the Brexit negotiation process; stabbing Davis in the back, etc, etc. You have to say she is RESILIENT! I don't think many people could handle what she has often inflicted on herself. Right now everyone seems against her. Trump: Donald Trump challenged Theresa May over her Brexit plan and its impact on a possible UK-US free trade deal during a fractious recent call as he traveled on Air Force One. Well-placed UK sources told The Daily Telegraph that the US president was in a “bad mood” and acting like “Trump the Grump” during their conversation last Friday. Mrs May called to congratulate Mr Trump on the Republicans' better-than-expected results at the US midterm elections but received an irritated response from the president, who reportedly berated her on a string of topics. The EU: Deputy Brexit negotiator Sabine Weyand. Michel Barnier's right-hand woman reportedly told European ambassadors last Friday Mrs May's acceptance of a backstop leaving Northern Ireland tied more closely to some EU rules than the rest of the UK along with "level playing field" measures means "we should be in the best negotiation position for the future relationship". Mrs Weyand went on to spell out the consequences for the UK of the Prime Minister's concessions to the EU27. “They must align their rules but the EU will retain all the controls. They apply the same rules. UK wants a lot more from future relationship, so EU retains its leverage". The customs union, something Mrs May used to say vehemently mark a "betrayal" of Brexit voters, would have to be "the basis" of the future relationship Brexit Britain negotiates. The EU has really got pretty much every ace card in their hands and it's really hard to think of any meaningful concession they have given us. We however risk letting the EU tie us into their protectionist regulations. Remember they were initially stating the money they were looking for at about £50 billion before quickly doubling that to £100 billion without any reasonable case to do so. Remainers talk of the threat of a lack of medicine, food shortages, immediate recession, mass unemplyment, etc. paints us to be rather like Iran, after an exit without agreement. Reverting to WTO with a few months of problems at ports may be a price worth paying for the future gain in controlling our own affairs. I really think the nation will bloom given the chance. I just think we are looking to leave the EU, still chained to them, with the keys in Juncker's hands.
It was inevitable it would, again look as europe as a whole. the 28 employ the commission as a management company but somehow the management company now control the 28. Senior politicians and companies now control most of europe and the last way of communicating that is not what the people want, is the vote. When an mp is elected, he/she is happy because they won the popular vote, when they lose they claim the popularists are spreading right wing anarchy by simply voting for someone other than the establishment parties No empire in europe has ever lasted long, the eu commission is no different. I could understand it if it was just us Brits, we have never been fully fooled by the eu project, never entered into their monitary union and never really trusted it was anything more than an engine of the top 5 countries in the eu but Germany the most. However, it isn't just the U.K. it is many more seeing the eu for what it is, an anti democratic union where the political elite see democracy as an inconvenience and people who are not on their buddy list as too stupid to see what is going on so need to be treated like sheep. If for no other reason than to give the established politicians and the eu a bloody nose to remind them that they work for us and not the other way round, I hope it goes to no deal.
Well........ITYS If I could see you all, I wouldn't needed to have posted that.... ....I would have just looked at you.
Why?. There is no plan, no sign of cohesive leadership and there never has been. The whole thing has been allowed to turn in to a political point scoring power grab. That was always the danger. Brexiteers keep complaing about the EU, yet the people who have had direct influence on our lives are politicians in the UK and the affects of world economy. But somehow its the fault of the EU. Baffling.
It is most definitely baffling. There was avote, like or not, but those that continue to work against that vote continue to complain, but have nothing to offer, but another vote. In my honest opinion it is those that have been damaging to the negotiation process. But yes, as per usual, politicians divide.
Insular protectionist rabble in Brussels. Got many scared, don't worry - there are still some intelligent people in th Exactly that, disgusting really... should be ashamed to call themselves British after 3 years of crying
You need to take your thinking a little further along. If you are unsure what I mean by that, do some research on what the EU is, how much "influence" the UK actually has over its citizens and the direction the EU project is headed. Look at the EUs behaviour over the past couple of decades, especially when member states question the narrative, find out what EU leaders say and think about member states. If you are uninterested in politics and choose to have a very superficial view of the EU based upon its own propaganda and that of complicit member state politicians, that's fine. But don't be surprised if people who have taken an interest come up with apparently puzzling statements and conclusions.
i've been quite quiet on this but, we're in the shit (certainly in the short term) however you look at it. The compromise agreement is unlikely to get through the house of commons which leaves us in a Hard Brexit position. A position which we are completely unprepared for. 2nd referendum - i suspect we'd get the same result tbh. The referendum: David Cameron (pig shagging tw@t that he is - allegedly) should never have called a referendum other than to gauge public opinion. Then there should have been an impact assessment and measures put in place to prepare. There was never a plan on Brexit and the huge amount of deceit and incompetence displayed by the negotiating team post result has been monumental - @Kirky Davis was/is fecking useless! Planning, putting all the things in place in readiness for Brexit and having contingency plans in place would have taken years to prepare, but then it would have allowed us to be in a strong negotiation position, we currently are not, which incidentally also impacts our strength to negotiate trade deals with other. It is an utter cluster fuck of the highest order by the political 'elite'. That said we are where we are. Whether you voted Remain or Brexit it is time to roll your sleeves up and get stuck in to making the best of it. The next 2-3 years are going to be very difficult with lots of uncertainty but I remain hopeful that we will find away to overcome any obstacles that the divorce from Europe will create in doing business with them. The quality of politicians we have making decisions is utterly woeful, there are no effective political parties and we're left during general elections with a choice of a lesser of 2 evils normally. it needs a proper shake up. I'm no a fan of May particularly, but she has had an impossible job here and has started to grow into the role (too little too late tbh) but i fear if she were to be outed then the successor is likely to be far worse.
What is a hard Brexit? I voted to leave the EU, and we should have done so already, is this what you mean by a Hard Brexit - what I and most other voting leave actually wanted? - then bring it on
The only issue I have with the above is the idea that incompetence is the root cause of the "disarray and confusion" we are seeing. I would argue that there is no incompetence but instead, a fully fleshed-out game plan for neutralizing Brexit. There is no disarray or confusion, only a smokescreen. If the UK Gov had had any genuine desire to implement Brexit, they would have installed a Leaver PM, not a remainder, and the first order of business would have been to create, very publicly, a No Deal plan. This plan would have been used to push the EU towards a deal that suited the UK to some extent and if the EU refused to play ball, we would know where we stand and what we need to do. WTO is the only backstop we needed. The weak bargaining position taken by the UK, together with this aura of incompetence, tells anyone with a brain that Brexit worthy of the name was never contemplated by the Tory leadership.
A bit of a random one, the EU want an Army, but not so long ago the World was ending due to global warming, call me cynical. But if don't use a plastic straw everything will be OK. Who makes this shit up
I know, the "we need an eu army to protect us from Russia, The very same Russia we are now going to buy shedloads of gas and oil from in the new Nord Stream 2 supply lines" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...elligence-concerns-u-s-official-idUSKCN1II0YV
@Exige actually Laughed out loud: if only it was that easy and whilst I respect your opinion this is not statement of fact (how many is most brexiters? - It would need to be 96% to retain a majority view in the referendum i.e. to provide a 2% swing back the other way). Don't get me wrong i'm up for it - selfishly I suspect it will create opportunity for me , but i don't think the majority will benefit. @Loz Maybe or, and i think this more likely: is that a half arsed agreement (inevitable) delivered by a Remainer would actually prove unpalatable to all and therefore an exit would be the only agreeable option. All completed without a Brexiter actually driving the outcome, (the remainer tried and failed), and with the benefit of proving the EU to be a badly behaved boys club in the process - May was always the fall guy(gal) here - a brexiteer will be a successor, ride in on a white horse and pick up the pieces; the vultures are circling oh and I agree incompetence is not the only factor at play here, but even the attempt to derail the exit has been pretty incompetent
