British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. If there is the slightest chance that we stay in the interim arrangement because the EU won't agree to ending it, we have to treat that as a 100% probability.

    Surely?
     
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  2. This 500 page deal sounds bad, that was my first reaction. Then I watched TV all morning (anyone see the comedic value of the SNP guy ha ha) and especially TM's performance in the house and I am changing my mind (to not great but the best compromise).

    TM has had to keep a lot of balls in the air;- Financial Services, Car industry & manufacturing, N Ireland (no-one wants the troubles back), and delivering the referendum result ( I like her attitude of no 2nd referendum). She might not be a great leader but from her time in the Home Off she has a reputation for reading everything and understanding the details so I think we can assume she understands whats what with this.

    On that basis I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt with this deal (she was pretty honest with some of its weaknesses). Everyone, else who is in the picture with ambitions of taking her place are just clowns.

    Lets see how she gets on with selling the deal.

    TB
     
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  3. I'm curious.

    The Commons will vote on this, probably before Christmas.
    The media gives a strong indication as do the Commons speeches -currently live on the BBC- that May has no chance of enough support to win any vote to support her "deal".
    Can May be so spectacularly wrong or is this all another bluff by MPs when the Conservatives/ DUP will all in fact vote it through?
     
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  4. May didn't seem to understand the details of slashing the Police force on the crime rate.
     
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  5. Why am I singing this in my head this morning? o_O

     
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  6. Yawn

    Davies had the full agreement in place based on what the eu had agreed already with other countries, May sought to undermine and remove him which she then caused through chequers. She then appointed Raab who came out all guns blazing and within 10 days, had undermined him too by appointing a senior civil service wallah to now take control.

    I suspect out of loyalty to her, they said they would not resign on the night of her announcement but instead today, which would have allowed barnier and tusk to have their announcement yesterday.

    The house debate has made it clear, no one will vote for this and she doesn't have a hope of getting it through.
     
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  7. Yep, this is going to be the death of a thousand cuts for her. :upyeah:
     
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  8. Well she certainly doesn't appear to think so. Though Maggie didn't either as I recall.
     
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  9. As I said, she has the worst judgement in history. You can't just hope to steam roller things through and get to the end, you'll hit a brick wall that can't be moved before you get there. The way Chequers was handled with ministers threatened with the sack on the spot and made to walk down the drive without their ministerial cars if they didn't back her, was disgraceful. That's why it took a few days for the resigantions to come. Yesterday, ministers were all called in individually and the thumb screws turned, no doubt with civil servants in the room. Again, today we see the fall out of her behavior. Think about how you'd react if this was your employer.

    She had the opportunity to be remembered for delivering a bright future for the country, instead her judgement, weakness and ultimately, no confidence in leaving the EU will have her remembered as a small stain in the book of UK political history. Although she has a lot to answer for in her time as Home Secretary tbh. :mad:
     
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  10. This was never getting voted through, did anyone think it would?
    As to May..I dont remember any big hitters putting their neck on the line when she was selected. They all know it is a poison chalice.
    Why keep bleating on about the EU changing its tack. Why? We want to leave, we expect them to change everything, for a none member, what planet are folks on. Get real. No wonder there have been quotes about cherry picking from day 1.

    So, moving on from moving on from Brexit..
    Next stage, collapse of government. General election. Give Corbyn and the just as loony party control.
    Proper shit creek with no paddle and if they do not take a proper grip of the situation very quick will drive the UK in to a real recession.

    Btw, May will have been advised to call the last election. She has had shit advisers from day 1. Not a fan bit seriously, select ANY other Tory...better???
     
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  11. We need a leader and government more like Italy, sadly we have at the moment, the Greek government
     
  12. Being given shit advice from shit advisors is no excuse for believing and acting on it. Mays advisors are afterall chosen by her.
     
  13. Fixed term parliament. New leader, no G.E. and a W.T.O. Brexit. :) :upyeah: Corbyn can just stand on the opposition benches getting older and stinking of piss.

    There are loads, and loads that would take the job tbh. In fact, I think only Soubry and Clarke would be worse. :laughing: The trouble with the Conservative party is that they will take the "safe" option with a Hammond, for example. This is the time to be bold. but they'll mess it up.
     
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  14. It might be of benefit also for politicians to leave politics when they resign. Its all a bit too handy when playing power games, they seem to slip back in to another paid position. Kick them out.
    They know exactly who they are working with and who for, before taking cabinet positions.
     
  15. As Billy Connolly says. The want to be a politician, should preclude you from being able to be one. :laughing: (I'm paraphrasing here, but that was his gist)
     
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  16. What I know is, resign from a job in a company...no longer work for said company.
    Similar rules might prevent a lot of the silly games they play.
     
  17. He nicked that idea from Robert Heinlein, or from someone who had done so.
     
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  18. One man's silly game is another man's principled decision. :thinkingface:
     
  19. Btw,
    Mays plan, or deal will be the brain child of many behind the secenes people. Just in the same way Police cuts were actualy Conservative policy.
    Im forgetting though, austerity has officialy finished. Good times ahead thanks to Brexit and the Tory party..maybe they forgot to tell her.
     
  20. people who go into politics to help people, and i think they genuinely exist, i have no problem with. There are people that others want to follow and then there are people who want to lead - i'm always suspicious of anybody who wants to lead as they usually have a few, if not all the psychopathic traits.
     
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