British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Crappy speech with no substance. Same old shifty eyes, head lolling to one side, and fake smiles. Why did she keep calling the reporters George? Is it her version of El T's Dave?

    The only question she answered was that she would fight a challenge. She had to say that, but it means nothing, the decision is with the MPs.
     
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  2. The speech was the very reason she has letters of no confidence flying in. The woman has absolutely no self awareness and doesn't see what's coming down the tracks. o_O Resilience is fine, but pig headed stubbornness and no ability to change you mind in the face of overwhelming evidence are poor traits to display. The whole country are frustrated with her, on both sides, what is she hoping to achieve? :eek:
     
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  3. After May's busy day, returning home she tells her husband; "I am just going outside and may be some time...."

    Tough as old boots!

    Raab for PM?
     
  4. the bit that stuck with me during the day was there are 3 million europeans here...and 1 million brits over there...
     
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  5. If only Al had told us we aren't leaving the EU.

    Why couldn't he have said, We are definitely leaving the EU?
     
  6. It is going to be better, if we manage to ever leave. But clearly the exit process has been made as hard as possible by the EU leadership.

    Part of their strategy was to make it so difficult, that the support of those wishing to leave would seep away and we would, as has happened throughout the EU's history of referendum management, vote again, to stay. This would be on inferior terms, rebate gone, veto soon to be gone, future Euro mandatory adoption, Pharmaceutical base not returning to London, etc.

    This must not happen, we need to escape almost on any temporary terms. Without the EU shackles, I'm convinced in a couple of years we'll be making the structural changes that our economy needs and things will be improving while the EU stagnates, the Euro stumbles and we look back in relief of our departure.
     
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  7. Interesting take on things from our friend Guy:
    Guy Verhofstadt, the European parliament's Brexit chief, said the deal would ensure there was no disruption for several years at least. (to our UK income stream!)
    He also dashed hopes of Remain campaigners in the UK by rejecting calls for a second referendum.
    "We have always said it is only possible with the agreement from the European side also, so all member states have to agree to do so, and I don't see this happening," he said.
     
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  8. The Irish problem has never been a problem. It has been a bit of political opportunism by the eu and little more. The current proposal gives us till december 2020 to resolve it but already the eu has said if no agreement looks likely by july 2020 then they will look to enforce the backstop.

    The backstop once enforced only allows us to leave with the eu's permission, there is no article 50 legal out and even if we did agree an way forward, N.I. is still tied to the eu.

    The bit where they keep saying "no side wants this" is a lie. They have had the entire force and resources of both the entire U.K. government and the eu's vast resources and they couldn't find a way forward in two years, because the eu never wanted too as the N.I. issue was their trump card.

    Bearing that in mind, it is incredibly unlikely the eu will be looking for a resolution in the next two years if as they claim, they have exhausted every avenue, within the last two years.

    It is a trap to keep the U.K. in the eu and nothing more.
     
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  10. Raab? Another two faced self serving slimeball.

    He is in charge of doing the deal for the Country, agrees a deal on bahlf of the Country.... and then, the very next day, resigns saying he cannot approve of the deal. What a cock!

    Surely a conflict of interest somewhere.
     
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  11. Nail on head :upyeah:
     
  12. Is May "The Black Knight" in disguise? :laughing:

     
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  13. Which of course is all bolloxs

    After undermining the brexiteer Davies through chequers, May appointed a new face of brexit, brexiteer Raab, within a few days he set himself up as not taking any nonsense. 3 days after that and whilst Raab was in front of the brexit select committee, his phone goes off but he ignores it as he is speaking.

    That message on his phone was that the Prime minister had just announced from that exact point forward, May would be taking the lead on negotiations and the civil servant sitting next to Raab, Olly Robbin's, would now take the lead and report directly to May whilst working with Raab.

    May all along has undermined two pro brexit, brexit secretary's and gotten us to the state we are now in.
     
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  15. Though it should be noted that Davis only spent 4 hours actually negotiating with the EU. Perhaps he never really wanted a deal, and was hoping for a no deal to be the final option? The four hours are according to governmemnt official records, and featured in th FT.
     
  16. obfuscation
    /ɒbfʌsˈkeɪʃ(ə)n/
    noun
    1. the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
      "when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation"
     
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  17. Four hours seems excessive, given he likely had no leeway whatsoever for "negotiating".
     
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  18. If only Corbyn was in charge, he'd show em :eyes:
     
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  19. Or put another way?
     
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