British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Fin, don't try and divert now you have been caught out. Simply post one of the many posts you have said I have made, I know I have not

    your claim
    just applying your logic to the convo. you seem perfectly happy to use that phrase. you have been, since day one. will the indian immigrant screw down the wage of the post grad?

    tick tock, to use a phrase you would be familiar with.
     
  2. aye, i'm sure by now, you have sussed i aint letting that constant trolling go. between minesatriple and your pish its been quite an iluminating expieriance on ere. so it has. some folks are easilly led right enough, hence "no longer jumping the queue" quote from yer supeme leader and suporting press.
     
  3. The reuters one is mostly about the future agreement.

    As you saw when many said the leave agreement was rubbish, the eu said, through Merkel and Barnier that the deal is the deal there is no more adjustments so Spain's umbridge will not count at this point as they entrusted the commission to reach the deal for them. They ARE, the commission and the 27, meeting on Sunday to ratify the leaving deal, Spain will moan but will agree this as there is very little Spanish direct implication

    The bit the Spanish, and the Dutch, French, Belgium and Germans are expected to kick off as the next bit which is the future relations/trade and a lot of that is around fishing rights in U.K. waters.

    Another part the eu will not allow is Spain's comment within that article “If on Sunday in the @EUCouncil the Brexit deal does not recognise that Gibraltar’s situation must be negotiated directly between Spain and the United Kingdom, this government will not accept it,” Sanchez said on Twitter.

    The eu can't allow this as it would open the door for what some have said about Ireland and the U.K. in that the good friday agreement is the perfect out for the eu in that the U.K. and Ireland could sort it out directly themselves. The eu will not allow this as it is a path they see, as the eu losing it's control through members doing local deals.

    I agree JB that it looks more than ever to be going to what was voted for, in it being a clean break from the control of europe and so wto and free trade.

     
  4. I was surprised when I read the news about this this morning (or was I;)) that the Spanish Govt obviously had no input into the draft agreement. That has to be the obvious observation if they're only now kicking up a fuss about the wording and Gibraltar. Yet Barnier and the negotiating team were negotiating for the whole of the EU - or were they?

    Certainly Spain will kick up a right royal fuss when it comes to fishing rights in the future trading agreement seeing as how they've used €6billion of EU aid to build their fishing fleet giving them the largest fleet and largest factory ships in Europe which come up into the cold Atlantic waters off Ireland and the UK to hoover up all the fish.

    But, maybe that's their game plan. Kick up a fuss about Gibraltar now (even though they knew how the agreement was worded) and then back off in the future as a trade-off for continuing access to the fishing grounds in UK waters?
     
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  5. Don't miss out the French, aren't they also moaning about fishing rights.
     
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  6. And Rees-Smugg is in meltdown as most of his Party told him to do one.
     
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  7. Yep, the recent argy-bargy was over scallop dredging in the channel. The French have a close season to allow the scallops to breed for future years stock, the English fish them all year round much to the annoyance of the French.
     
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  8. The French are always moaning about something. last fall out was about who got to keep duke as there was no takers.
     
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  9. They are kicking off big style with Macron and fuel duty ATM.
    Defo more confrontational and militant, and not prepared to keep taking it...might have some ideas for back home. Screen Shot 2018-11-20 at 19.09.02.png
     
  10. Understandable, after rent/mortgage and food, fuel can be the next big cost.

    When this was mentioned last week I looked at the price of brent crude historically. *Four years ago a barrel of brent crude was at around $112:84. At that time the diesel per litre on my local forecourt was around £1.17

    Today brent crude is at $62:16 per barrel but the same forecourt has diesel at £1.35 per litre

    *amended
     
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  11. three years ago brent was $46. 2years and 10months ago it was $27. last time it was $112 was four and a half years ago.
     
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  13. How so? Until now the negotiations have been about the leaving deal and mostly a united front by the 27 as they left it to the eu commission negotiator, Barnier.

    Even though the deal at our end will fail, the next step is the future agreement and the unity of the 27 behind the commission is already starting to fall apart. The two big areas are fishing waters and, deals the U.K. are allowed to make with non eu countries.

    The 27 it seems, have more faith in the U.K.'s future and are afraid that the U.K. will do better than the eu on country to country deals so seek to limit those deals during transition so that any deal, must not be better than the one the eu has. Germany are jealous as fuck that we can do country to country deals and they cannot, so is France as they are both tied to eu standards

    Now if you are a negotiator for us this is great news. The eu appreciate we are the second biggest economy and second biggest contributor to the eu. We are also world leders in so many other areas that if anyone will succeed after leaving the eu, it will be us. We are in an incredibly strong negotiating place, sadly undone by a largely remaining government, house of commons and civil service. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though.

    We are a far better country than some of our own countrymen and women want to admit too
     
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  14. I think Brexit is dead
     
  15. just to finish your sentence

    ……...because we have always maximised our trading opportunities not fucked them up, as we are doing now
     
  16. I fear democracy is dead.

    We'll see.
     
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  17. Has been for a long time imo Loz.:(
     
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