I doubt many would disagree that putting a team of remainers in charge of your leaving process, was ever going to see the best outcome Both really. I don't think brexit is dead. I do feel the eu commission, to protect the project, will cut the nose of the 28 off, rather than negotiate a fair deal and so more than likely the inevitable outcome is no deal. Now, this leads onto Loz's point. Whilst the most vocal on the remain side see this within their own limited parameters as "stop brexit at all cost's", the wider concern and the test case going to the ecj which is due to have a decision by the end of the month, offers a stark reality on our democratic freedoms. The question is, are we now saying we want our own governments to have the ability to overturn democratic votes of the people, when the government of the day decides to? Some may feel democracy has been gone for a long time but brexit shows it is not. If we now give governments the ability to over ride democratic votes, legally, then democracy will be lost.
The irony is of course, are the short memories. The Guardian, normally more eu than u.k. had it's own view when the Irish voted no to the Lisbon treaty and the eu continued to demean anyone who used a a vote to have a say. this was in 2008, see if it rings any bells https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/dec/13/eu-ireland-lisbon-treaty
Maybe its where I am with all of this, but nearly spilt my coffee on the laptop again.. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...deal-after-hard-brexit-irish-pm-idUKKCN1NQ1UD
Varadkar is a gift that just keeps giving, even now it's clicked with him that a no deal is what was asked for i.e. NO e.u. control over anything for the U.K. he still thinks we need their and his permission to have a no deal He knows he has backed the wrong horse and after the U.S., the U.K. is the second largest trading partner with Ireland(beating Germany and France combined). With no deal and Ireland not being able to deal directly with the U.K. unless the eu commission and the other 26 countries have a say, this opens up the space Ireland used to have on goods to the U.K., to ANY non eu country to fill the gap.
Deals are like making love, some are rough and take time but in the end you get to smoke the cigar Some of you, if you were ever negotiators, would only get as far as one play
or sacked even?.... not that i think they would have the balls to do it, but, i see the gov got told to sling their hook when they attempted to appeal the case going to the ECJ reguarding reversing article 50 unilateraly. it seems scots law cant be overturned by uk law asfter all, interesting...
The UK Supreme Court (like its predecessor, the House of Lords Judicial Committee) is the highest court for applying England and Wales law in England and Wales, and Scots law in Scotland. That has always been the case. Nothing surprising about it.
well with a snp twist, lets see if we can put some meat on the bone. A group scottish mp's and mep's approached the Scottish courts to see if they could offer "a definitive ruling on whether the UK government can halt the article 50 process without needing the approval of the 27 other EU member states." The Scottish court allowed the question to be raised to the U.K. supreme court, who has now allowed it to be sent to the European Court of Justice. The wording in their application is "Where a member state has notified the European Council of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, does EU law permit that notice to be revoked unilaterally by the notifying member state? "And, if so, subject to what conditions and with what effect relative to the member state remaining within the EU?" So like gina miller who couldn't stop brexit either, this application is purely a question on a technicality and nothing more. It's drama and circus for the home Scottish snp market with a soupson for other remainers within the U.K. we have discussed this before fin and you know this. Nowhere in article 50 is their a cancellation option so the ecj could say no there is no process to stop it and to stop it would need a complete article 50 overhaul that would have to go before the eu 28 to ratify a new article 50 process. This is unlikely to happen and has no time to do it before march 2019. So on this, there is no process for it to be stopped. I do suspect the eu will revise some of article 50 but not before Brexit is completed The other option, incredibly unlikely, is that they may rule that whilst technically and legally there is no process to stop this, both sides could extend it to a point it could allow it to be discussed. If they did this so many legal challenges would come in challenging a buddy agreement against a legal agreement. So on this it could throw a dog a bone but would in the end be challenged and probably found to an incorrect The showboating I mentioned, they are asking a question, "can the U.K. government stop brexit without the need of the 27" two points, the U.K. government has already said twice, even if they could, they will not.The Department for Exiting the EU said: “The government has made submissions to the CJEU. In any event, the government will not be revoking Article 50.” They also do not want to be the government that opens the pandoras box where governments can over turn democratic votes and elections. I'm sure Pete will correct me where I am wrong
you think so? you would be surprised what people dont know but should, or maybe not if you put two and two togeather....you would of thaught this would be big news. tho i have picked up bits and bobs that had led me to bieleive this, but untill tested.
I'm beginning to think that when MP's see the options for anything other than "Chequers or no Brexit" are not there, they will start to crumble and it will scrape through. The Unicorn's poo will then start dropping on the floor for us and we will hit a brick wall of having to allow EU to fill their nets with fish in UK waters. They will then try to nobble the city of London financial centre. We'll then be tied in knotts with adhering to EU rules so that they can prevent us becoming more competitive and successful. We need a strong leader to see through these trade negotiations and quickly get a smart border passporting system in place to challenge any threat of backstop. How come the FTSE went up today, did I miss some good news? May better get Juncker pissed on Brandy tonight and get some blackmail photos of some sordid sex act taking place. Come on girl we're desperate! On fisheries, Weyand told ambassadors there is still “divergence.” The U.K. wants a Norway-style arrangement where catch quotas are renegotiated on an annual basis. But it has said this will result in less access than EU27 fleets currently enjoy. France and other countries are pushing for the political declaration to make clear that a future U.K.-EU free-trade deal will depend on the U.K. offering similar access to its waters as it currently does. On other specific points, Weyand said the political declaration will include: a statement on cooperation between the U.K. Civil Aviation Agency and its EU counterpart the European Aviation Safety Agency to avoid travel disruption; U.K. participation in the Galileo satellite program, but only as a third country; a governance arrangement for the future relationship similar to the Withdrawal Agreement, with the European Court of Justice acting as the sole arbiter of EU law. The only exception to that would be “when national security is at play,” said one EU diplomat who spoke to POLITICO. So we won't be trusted on the security front to use all of Galileo's capabilities or UK companies bidding for future contracts. After all the money we've contributed to the project.
I wasn't sure whether to laugh of be sick at that thought I was under the impression, wrongly? that in order to use Gallileo and compete with the perfectly okay gps system most of us use, the eu would need access to the Falkland's and Ascenion Islands to complete their world wide gps system but both are British crown dependencies.
ah, coolio, its a group of MP's now?. they have allowed? not thown out an appea because its outwith their remit? pretty sure the auther of article 50 said it could be reversed, but hayho. not that they have the balls to revoke it and restart the negotiations, even in the event of a new gov? . two points, the U.K. government has already said twice, even if they could, they will not.The Department for Exiting the EU said: “The government has made submissions to the CJEU. In any event, the government will not be revoking Article 50.” i wonder how this could be used?
We'll be part of it but not the full security pass - ridiculous and very unfair as we are a major contributor of security intelligence to EU countries. Just plain nonsense and bad for all Europeans including us.
