It's all going swimmingly isn't it? Having a five day debate about something they don't know what they are debating about. Which might not happen anyway, because the government won't say what they are to debate about. Assuming the government aren't held in contempt of Parliament which would throw a completely different light on the process; all I can see is that someone has come up with something nobody seems to know what it's about, but 'it's the right thing to do'. But it has a to have a vote to decide if it 'is the right thing' or not. If it vote decides it isn't 'the right thing to do', it will be scrapped - so it wasn't the 'right thing to do' in the first place. So the someone that came up with 'the right thing to do', has to go back and re-negotiate 'the right thing to do', but the EU won't re-negotiate 'the right thing to do'. Next move will be another 'right thing to do' and it will start all over again. How much more dis-organised can it get? Plenty, I suspect.
I did try and find a simple chart or something that showed turnouts for elections etc by age but couldn’t. Anyway, for me I haven’t voted in a GE for years. The last time was when Lib Dem said they’d put a penny on income tax - and listed what they’d do with the money that generated. I didn’t care if the numbers were correct to be honest, I just thought at least they’re saying what they would do, labour and conservatives were just slagging each other off. My point is, is the turnout low because there’s no one worth voting for ? and with the EU referendum no one convinced me to vote either way, so I didn’t.
how does the majority for leave over remain compare to who voted for the current government.. why cant we have another referendum for that...oh hang on like the coke advert..its coming!
Funny thing is, just like when you were a teen and probably said after one of your parents scolded you for being a twat, "If I ever have kids, I'll never do that". Then you get kids and you do pretty much many of the things your parents did too, I've said this before, youth is for idealism not facts. They often think all the worlds wealth should be shared out equally, then they get a job, mortgage, car loans, credit cards, good holidays and their outlook changes to let everyone else get their own shit In the same way the kids are whinging about the older people taking their future away, when they themselves get older, they will moan about the "yoof of today" moaning about the elderly of the day
I was responding to a post about voting age. They are statistics from YouGov. You do know the votes are counted? Having a degree also resulted in a much higher proportion of remain votes. You might like that one.
Following this hilarious and most entertaining piece of British and mainland Europe’s battle of the dumbest from a distance as one of those bloody foreigners, it boils down to simply this, EU doesn’t want to have a deal, let alone a good deal, because that would be the end of their elite club, the slightest hind of Britain being better of outside the club and at least 10 more would run within a two year period, as to the British, what do you expect if you put remainers in charge of leaving? It’s an absolute joke, but even if it was done properly, there was no chance at all to negotiate successfully, the ONLY way to succeed is to walk out and tell the EU where to stick it, they will soon loose their united front because the main players from the remaining 27 countries have an awful lot more to loose then Britain, and are confronted with a lot more anger from their people as we are faced with here in Britain, if on top of that they would loose the British consumer, that would be the final straw for a proper revolt in their home countries, so it’s time to grow some balls and tell the EU to f#ck off!, if not, the EU will have the last laugh, and it is about time that those arrogant tw#ts loose their stronghold over hundreds of millions of people, saying that, the current crop of British politicians doesn’t hold much hope either for the near future! ........ just saying
The problem for the EU is that many of its members rely on trade with the UK, and with a number of countries still teetering on the edge of financial instability, they really can’t afford to give us a bad deal. Thankfully all of our financial institutions now undergo stress testing so we are in much better shape then some of our European counterparts. I bet they wish they had made those concessions for Cameron now.
On a personal level i think i'll be fine whatever way it goes and I'm not pro EU, but i did vote remain. The reason being I only believed leaving the EU would only be successful if: 1. We have the good leadership in gov to negotiate better trade deals than those we already had in place - They're all shite which is why they are in politics rather than business 2. We have the processes in place to support ourselves (Businesses or Gov) to overcome some of the uncertainty of leaving - this realistically will take 5-10 years 3. I didn't actually think the status quo was too bad for movement of workers - I agree with a skills based system but some industries rely on cheap unskilled labour from the EU e.g. Agriculture and this hasn't been factored into the current proposal - we just need to add business sponsorship for seasonal/low paid non-uk workers and the problem goes away tbh. 4. it is an inflationary pressure. I have some concerns about leaving whilst the EU remains 'intact': 1 - I think this will lead to greater disparity of wealth between London/the south and the rest of GB 2- the EU will not want to give us a good deal as this would give incentive to other countries not happy with the status quo. 3 - We will not get a better deal with the US. Trump has no interest in providing a better deal for the UK, his first priority will be to protect US Industry e.g. look what happened with steel. 4 - It will likely to lead to the break up of the EU and with growing nationalist movements in many countries with in Europe potenitally creating a period of unrest - while we are all distracted internally Putin will be rubbing his hands. We should probably stay for now, put the fundamentals in place, do some negotiations on the qt with some of the other countries looking to leave and strike together leaving in a stronger position. That said i'd rather leave than take the deal that has been put on the table as i think this will speed up the collapse of the EU and then the tide will turn in our favour faster. Interesting times ahead.
