British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Me lol

    Just been on a Abbott abacus course;)

    No I meant over the ne not one week. Would be a long tome lol My bad
     
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  2. It’s not the EU’s issue. It is an issue of the UK Govn’t.

    The UK wants to leave the EU (that includes NI). The UK requires to control its borders, as it must, but cannot have a border either between NI/UK or NI/RofI as it would involve, amongst other things, splitting the UK or splitting Ireland.

    Both the UK and RofI are party to and bound by the GFA. One Govn’t side to remain, one Govn’t side to leave. There are a whole range of provisions within the GFA that an Irish Border would destroy.

    Both are under obligation not to create a border. There is no unilateral way out of the GFA. Neither side wishes to end the GFA.

    That’s the real issue at the moment.

    And then,

    Throw in the power share in NI, Sinn Fein can’t stand the UK Govn’t to the extent it won’t take up its seats in Westminster. The UK Govn’t can’t stand Sinn Fein.

    And then further throw in that the people of N.I wish to remain part of the UK but voted to stay in the EU. And then throw in that the DUP campaigned to leave the EU but Sinn Fein campaigned to remain.

    Et voilà!

    That’s about it. (Don’t shoot the messenger).
     
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  3. Clear as mud
     
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  4. All videos are edited.
    And all videos from all sources have to be put into context.
    Why would he say such a thing?
    Because it's true,and maybe he can see the writing on the wall.
    Just because you don't agree with what he says in the video,doesn't mean that he didn't say it.
    Or are you trying to put it into YOUR favoured context?
     
  5. So it's a referendum on the GFA :bucktooth:
     
  6. Including "Will of the People"!
     
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  7. Who's Will :thinkingface:
     
  8. ...and is he really 'of' the people :worried:
     
  9. Yes. Amongst other nonsense

    “Name”’s law is another
     
  10. I'll ask for a second time

    What part of the gfa do you think is under threat? You seem to be echo chambering rather than being factual

    In the event of a wto free trade deal (some call it no deal) , the U.K. can do what ever it wants on it's side, nothing the eu can do about it. The U.K. has said no matter what deal it ends with, there will be no hard border of the past.

    so using your own statement *Think, NI. Think the backstop. Forget Art. 50. Think the GFA , what Actual part do you think is under threat, not could be, might be, possibly, etc etc vagiuty emotive but what part of the gfa is under threat

    *although I would point outyou cannot forget article 50 as the backstop is in it
     
  11. I hate anaologies but:

    Let’s just say I was video saying:

    “Lightning 650 posted on the forum, “I try my best. I post on the forum, but I’m thick is fuck””.

    Imagine then that is then edited to me just saying “I try my best. “I post on the forum, but I’m thick as fuck”.

    Would that be a fair edit of what I had said?
     
  12. All of it. If there is a border anywhere in Ireland or any regulatory change between rump UK and Northern Ireland, it will require treaty change and all that comes with it.

    The DUP will not be separated from the UK. And neither the UK, NI, or RofI want a border nor seperation from the Rest of Ireland.

    Britain wishes to have, and must have, a border and so short of regulatory alignment or treaty change, a border has to happen.

    The implications for treaty change (the renegotiating of the GFA) are enormous given the desires of the parties, the fragility of the process and the international implications for each party.
     
  13. You rather have shown the point I was making. There is no obligation for the U.K. to have a border, in fact they have gone out of their way to insist time and time again that they will not put one in place out of respect and alignment with the gfa, job done. In that respect we will have and will continue to meet the gfa.

    You have confirmed what I have been saying for ages, the irish border question is not a political question but is a technical one and one that is attempted to be used for business and trade by the eu to control a country that will no longer be in the eu

    The eu wants a border for regulatory alignment of goods, the gfa is the higher agreement and on that the U.K. government will continue to insist there will be no hard border of old. The eu is the one insisting a border is in place, therefore it is the eu insisting on breaking the gfa, an agreement it is not even a signaturee of.

    aim your angst in that direction and you might get the real villian.
     
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  15. Theresa May failed several times to come up with the technological solution. There is no satisfactory technological solution otherwise it would be in the withdrawal agreement.

    Earlier you equated the border problem to the dartford tunnel (or bridge, whatever) and posed why that wouldn’t work.

    I don’t know why it wouldn’t work. But the Latin maxim above places the onus on you to put your case and say why it would work in solving border issues.

    You propose it. So put your ideas forward.

    If what you say is correct then none of the above would be a problem.
     
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  16. Have we entered the twilight zone?
     
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  17. So the EU is protecting the Republic of Ireland as their fear is being isolated, in terms of regulatory borders.
     
  18. Lets build a toll free bridge (stopping off at the IOM) :thinkingface:
     
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  19. Laura Kuenssberg and crew made interesting viewing on the One Show earlier, just getting your head around reporting on the latest Brexit twists and turns must be a real challenge.
     
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  20. Yeh an get the EU to fund it :upyeah:didn't we all help pay for the EU buildings, least they could do.
     
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