I agree. But it would wreck her party. It must be impossible or huge brinksmanship with the EU on her part.
Well, to my mind, if parliament votes down the deal, it will have done so, at least in part, to protect both the union with Northern Ireland and the peace agreement for all of Ireland. To my mind, that then places at least some onus the EU (with RofI help) to come to the table regarding a customs union with the UK upon exit (and so article 50 gets withdrawn for now to allow time) But That doesn’t fully sort out the border and means Britain can’t have free trade & has to accept trade rules from the EU with no say on them. And that’s the best it’s going to get. If the EU did not help do that then it will be seen to have not been proactive in helping the UK to realise its democratic vote whilst maintaining and protecting the rights of the people Irish people (and for that matter the rights of its own citizens in the UK & Ireland). Of course that also relies upon the RofI. And will take years. Either that or Northern Ireland agrees to different alignment to the UK. If the Republic of Ireland doesn’t help (and it’s under no obligation to) then that is it. Game over for Brexit.
She hates the ECJ and hates the ECtHR (technically the ECHR isn’t the EU). They both nearly wrecked her political career (or rather her failure to comply with them). She loves her party more.
That was then, this is now. Political grudges and alliances only last until the next stress point, then it's a new ballgame. Bottom line. The UK may well stay in the EU in same form or fashion, for *reasons* but the reason for staying will not be because of the GFA. That tail will not wag the dog.
This is good, you're learning, you are my own little fin. Loz I understand your position much much more now So we are all agreed then^^^ The eu never was a signatory to the Good Friday Agreement and is trying to hijack it to seek an agreement on eu trade. The good Friday Agreement can only be changed, IF it ever needed to be, by the U.K. government and the Irish government and NOT the eu cool we're doing well so far, keep up my lil jc chicken nugget, don't fail me now. The good friday agreement and brexit are two completely different agreements but the eu are trying to combine the two and I suspect were there ever a change in the gfa, the eu will seek to add it's name to it in order to once again try and control the U.K. So in conclusion, you're doing well jc and won't need those half read books no more, so in conclusion (1)The eu cannot use the gfa as a bargaining chip as it is not theirs to use (2) brexit requires a trade agreement across borders (3) if both parties in the gfa say not one of them will bring back the hard borders of old, why is the eu when it has no authority to overide the gfa any questions jc, feel free, you are now my personal project
not be seen to wag the dog, the GFA is being used in one form or another. the agreement is putting N/I at an economic advantage to other nations within the uk, the uk cant afford to lose another country.
I understand re tail wagging. So the reason for staying can only be financial / the clocks stoping on getting out on no deal. The country could survive anything else but that.
What, like what we voted for you mean, ah, so the EU is desperate to keep us in as we would sink, I see aren't they lovely
Hundreds of posts back I dealt you your arse on the subject. Even in this post the subject is way over your head. The EU cannot have a say in the governance of NI / Ireland. The EU is 27 other countries. 27 other countries having a say in Northern Ireland. Don’t be a fucking idiot.
We'll be alright. Mays deal will be turned down No second vote will happen as the leave remain vote as already happened and to over ride it would create serious domestic constitutional issues and no party is stepping forward to be the party that does that We will go to the other deal of wto/free trade despite the mini moaners, the U.K. will suck it up, get it sorted and move on.
dealt me my arse? can you deal me a agreement called the gfa with a eu signature on it too please? still waiting from a hundred posts ago. I never said the other 27 had a say, it was you that maintained the eu had a say, I've shown you are wrong, ta daaa Many thanks
It wouldn’t be the EU’s fault if Britain walked away to its financial detriment. It’s Britain’s choice (or at least it would be if the GFA wasn’t a problem). So with the country voting out, and if Loz is right, then it’s not the GFA as a stumbling block, then what is it? It can only be enormous (ruinous) financial / trade / goods concerns since The Conservative party would not betray 70% of its constituencies. It’d be ruinous.
There are 2 stumbling blocks We made the mistake of thinking the eu would protect the eu project whilst still wanting a good friend on it's borders, for them it's all about the project, not the countries or companies The gfa was always the eu's last card to stop the uk leaving by telling us the two are legally linked when they are not, one is an agreement between two countries and the other is a political project of 28 countries. As more people are realising this, the eu is loosing it's trump card The eu's primary goal in brexit was never to seek a good or fair deal for both sides, never. It was always to punish the u.k. for leaving and make the leaving process so chaotic, right uptil even the last moment, that it would deter others from leaving. The trouble with this tactic is that it scares political leaders but as we are seeing throughout the eu, does not scare the voters.
was this leave or remains argument prereff? obviously without the amateur dramatics and angry overtones.
I think fin, for most leavers, the preferred option was always a deal and stay friends but, there was an honesty the eu would be snakey and try and stop brexit and/or would throw an agreement that left us as a eu franchise. The rest of the last 2 years by the eu has been posturing and dragging things out. In that context, the only way we can achieve what the vote asked for, a clean break into a third independent country, is via free trade/wto option
