And don't forget that Africa is also part of the EU. Something was said yesterday, can't recall the exact words, no doubt there are plans to incorporate nations of Africa into the EU.
@noobie Is the above addressed to me? The letter was delivered yesterday, but is not me that goes over them...so been passed to me this morning. No, it is not cool at all..and will cost me and other businesses a lot of monies if the system goes live.
there will be no long term EU project once the zoomers get a good foothold. durr, unless what yer saying is thats the futre direction of the "project". which of course it isnt. but if it is, how you gona influince the direction of it on the outside?
The project has always been, trust us, don't worry about democracy, we know what is best and the eu commission will tell the 28 what to do and most comply. The switch from the 28 running the eu to the eu running the 28 happened at Maastericht treaty in 1992, superceded after the french said no but the eu overode them with the nice treaty in 2001 and the Lisbon treaty in 2009 when other countries said said but was walked over. I get that, I am a realist and know what and how the eu does which is why people who understood the eu through it's history said get out quick and in one stroke, the longer it went on, project undermine would continue.
Isn't this the case and rather central to the argument is it not, who decides in a democracy? Business, mp's or the people?
A no deal scenario will increase paperwork and costs probably putting many small operators out of business if on tight margins and lacking capitol. Welcome to WTO and being outside of the union. This will make things even more difficult for the smaller companies due to economies of scale trying to compete with the larger concerns. Extra costs for some businesses as well due to needing higher stock levels. Good luck to them with getting loans from the banks to cover the extra costs, as the banks are going to extra wary in a no deal scenario. Dont forget though, we will have our ''sovereignty'' (which will be applied by a corrupt government)
But you didn't answer the question, Isn't this the case and rather central to the argument, who decides in a democracy? Business, mp's or the people?
To answer that question; We are fooled in to thinking we have democracy. Politicians and big business make the big decision. Surely as an ardent anti EU supporter must know that, and even outside of EU regulation, the UK will continue to be run the same way.
As a small business owner selling all over Europe on a daily basis I can only see benefits thanks for listening
I wouldn't say fooled, more at ease with it. Most see democracy as a term to throw arounfd when they get caught or can't have something they want "it's my human rights" (often seen on jeremy kyle and the police interceptors). People were/are happy walking into surrendering democracy as most lazy western countries do. Most know business and multi nationals with politicians in their pockets run things but insist on a vote every now and again just so they can have a government to blame everything on. Grrr government (or tories in westminster in fins case ) In truth people are happy to sell out democracy, they just don't like being told that they are actually doing it.
This is not "proj fear". This is the reality of preparing to trade as a third country. My own organisation are making exactly these preparations as we are assuming "worst case WTO". Just as many companies will be doing as they execute their contingency plans. I've landed the wonderful task of making sure our UK and EU distribution network can still handle the several million orders that we process annually with minimum disruption (or cost impact). I'd rather be spending time doing my day job, as would the 30 or so others in the corporate BREXIT team.....
