British Indy: What Happens Now?

well, you can type all you like, but i wont see yah, not until you reveal your sources.

 

Tomato, brown, mustard, Roux, hollandaise, tartar etc, all found in good eating establishments or if in a deep frying establishment, Lard.

 

At least now she has declared when the parliament vote is going to be, but not till after Christmas and on the 14th Jan

 

Her last one for sure

 

I'd agree she is clearly running the clock down to a point of my deal or wto and free trade deal, hopefully the latter

The economy will change no matter which deal we have and that is something some remainer's would rather you not realise. The one thing you can be sure of is that any change, brings change.

 

I think ultimately it will have to go to a referendum. Increasingly it seems the only way forward as there is no Commons majority for either of those options, and there doesn't seem to be any reason to expect it will be any different come Jan 14th.

I wish I'd got my bet in a year or two ago though ;-)

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight...exit-referendum-now-odds-on-with-some-bookies :

Second Brexit referendum now ODDS-ON with some bookies

"In the ‘Second EU referendum’ market, William Hill now have both “Yes” and “No” outcomes priced at 5/6. That is the current best price on there being no second vote, while the best price on it happening is 5/4. The odds are scattered around the even money mark on both possible conclusions."

 

I can see why the remainers are pushing for a second referendum as we go closer to leaving because it's not that far away and once gone, it will be many years before another referendum would happen, by then we will be settled in our own way, up and running and probably would not vote to go back in as we would be unlikely to offer up the freedoms we would have gained.

again whilst too many remainers focus on us versus the eu, they largely, not all, are blind to what is happening in the eu. The eu itself is a very different beast to what it was in June 2016. Huge rise in far right across most of the countries, not only in votes but representation in state and national governments. Poland and Germany are two of the biggest polluters in the eu as their industries are still massively coal reliant, Italians ready to fight the eu and bring it down, Hungary in total opposition in regards to migrant control, oh and the economic migrant issue, U.S. trade war with europe, youth unemployment far higher than the U.K.'s

This doesn't mean there are not good bits of the eu, there are. The worry however is that they seem to be moving more to a cult style of management with the eu commissioners being the chosen ones who will lead us to the utopia of peace and love as long as there is never a system to hold them accountable or vote them out. It is also cleat that they are moving to a more centralised and less accountable type of project. Can you imagine British mp's being told, you can earn £4,500 a month in expenses and you you don't have to account for a single penny of it, or if we set up a second parliament in Birmingham and for one week a month all of parliament moved to Birmingham with all the costs that ensue? We wouldn't tolerate it.

In regards to the second vote, the first resolved the issue and if the mp's feel they are unsure what to do then they should simply look at the vote and asked, what was the decision of the vote and it was, leave.

 

Sadly it patently didn't resolve the issue. If it had, then the country wouldn't be in this impasse. In hindsight a vote back in 2016 couldn't hope to resolve the issue even if the winning majority hadn't been so narrow, as there simply wasn't enough information available at the time to spell out the impact of exactly what people were voting for, on either side, and predictions made at the time have proven to be misleading.

To be fair I think it would have to cover all three possible alternatives: the Withdrawal Agreement, No Deal and Remain. The details and implications of all of these are now known and could be clearly spelt out in a way that didn't happen in 2016, and any false claims could be more easily challenged and exposed.

I'm not expert enough in this stuff to suggest how the questions should be structured and worded - and it won't be easy to formulate - but there is a whole science behind this stuff that pollsters use to make sure that questions are posed in a neutral way.

 

I should add, that if there is a "Peoples Vote" I think the result is likely to be close and the "winners", whoever they are, should recognise this and not simply ignore the minority view or tell them to "get onboard" and "get over it". They must push for Government to make whatever changes they can as concessions to the other side and take steps to heal the clear division that exists in the country. Events since the 2016 referendum have exposed big problems in the UK and put the country in a very bad place. No matter what happens next year, it will take a long time to recover from this.