As I said above, in 2016 there simply wasn't enough information available at the time to spell out the impact of exactly what people were voting for, on either side, and predictions made at the time have proven to be misleading. Sorry, I don't follow you (?)
Any renegotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement - the Norway option or any other alternative deal - has been ruled-out by the EU. I guess they could change their tune but I don't see any evidence that they will.
Misleading to who, the remainers? Project Fear from the establishment far outweigh any rose tinted glasses stuff form the minority of MP's in the leave camp. Can you please explain the 'clarity' you seem to have found?
Please read #2150 - what problems do you speak of here in the UK - or are you talking about the new project fear campaign
Yep, and TM has ruled out options as well. European court of justice ruled we can revoke article 50. So there IS a way out. Even if it is leave at a later date with a considered agreement. Options are left, but our politicians need to get real. Farce.
I think everyone - no matter their opinion - now has much more information available to them. The Withdrawal Agreement is the most obvious example, but I also think everyone is also much more aware of what would be involved in No Deal, and Remain, and the likely impact of both.
We keep getting told the UK is great and the 5th biggest economy. (probably 6th now...) but it depends how you measure. Also we dont have accurate latest figures. https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-worlds-5th-or-9th-largest-economy/
What is involved in a no deal? I don't understand what you mean and where the clarity has come from? The EU deal of Mays is bollocks, I think everyone knows that...
Yes, I read post 2150 before making my original remarks. The problems I am talking about in the UK are the deep divisions within our society that have been exposed by this issue, and the fact that Government has spent most of the last two years focused on the Brexit issue and not progressed other important business.
Would add that several countries are close to passing us as our economy stalls. Get ready to slide further, faster with a hard Brexit. Its going to a lot of ground to make up while other countries just get on with things.
It did resolve the issue. The reason why the vote was so binary is because unless it was a clean break, most knew the eu would find some way to insert clauses that kept us tied to the eu and two years later, that has been proven to be the case and that is why many more leavers looked into it, than remainers looked at why people wanted to leave. I hear this often but that is more again, the people who lost the vote saying this. This in many ways was no different than any other vote. Two sides gave you a tonne of bumpf, you know some will be true, some will be lies and some will be in the middle but you listen and made the best judgement you think is right for you and then you vote. Surprisingly, this could be a bigger risk to remain than leave. Could you honestly say the eu is in a better place now, than it was 2 years ago, plus, the way the eu have behaved has opened a few remainers eyes to how it behaves. There can be no neutral way, the largest majority wants to leave the eu and a large minority want to remain. Much of what the remainers want now is about overturn the largest peoples democratic vote in modern history and if they can't, then some way of delaying March the 2019 in the hope they buy more time to find a way to overturn it. Not only will they not be able too I feel but more I question why they would want this to drag on for so long whilst at the same time say it's tearing the country apart. It gives the impression of, I lost, I don't like it and if it means tearing the country apart till I get my own way then so be it.
You really think they have been focussed on Brexit, or just wasting time as most of them didn't agree with the democratic vote. So you think the EU is more rosy now than 2016 or worse? I know our little play pole on here is pretty meaningless, but compared to one in 2016 the feeling to leave with no deal on here at least is massive in comparison now we all have this 'clarity' you speak of
We have been sliding while in the EU, lets get out and go the other way! What is a Hard Brexit, you mean leave the EU?
Working on WTO rules and creating new trade deals - exactly what this involves and how it would work is a lot clearer to people now than it was in 2016 I think. The clarity has come from increased attention to these questions.
To be expected, but it's also worth mentioning look at europe, even their economy is slowing to a stop. Even China is hitting the fan which is impacting on companies which are heavily China reliant such as JLR. My point is, with the tariff wars on at the moment, many countries and companies are slowing No economy, none has ever gone up every single year.
Ah, great, Timothy Randall Martin (he's a multi billionaire business man if you don't know him - not a politician) was on TV yesterday stating in front of 2 remain MP's why WTO rules would be good for the economy, to be honest they didn't have an answer for his reasoning on live TV, so do you mean more will vote for WTO rules now? This is confusing. Perhaps you are believing project fear 2 and believe we are doomed, so where is the clarity you speak of?
Yes, I think it is very clear that they have been focused on arguing about Brexit. So has everyone .... the Media (look at the news and front pages) .... the Ducati Forum (look at the number of posts) .... everyone. I think the whole world, EU included, is less rosy than in 2016. The question is, knowing now what we didn't know in 2016, which of the three options is the least worst for the UK, and for the world. Then maybe thats an indication that No Deal would comfortably win a "People's Vote"
