Playing devils advocate again Alan orr just playing? WTo rules will mean price rises on all imports. We are not self sufficient on even food
Trying to understand it all to be honest. I find it frustrating that most examples that seem plausible are related to things like buying a car. I think I see where people are coming from about WTO rules / tariffs etc, but I'm not convinced it will have the dramatic affect on the UK that some predict. Not that it will make any difference (unless there's another vote) but I'm happy if someone can make me see why we should remain.
It's almost as though the EU countries will be affected more than us - well I never, who would ever have imagined so everything won't become 10% dearer here and 10% cheaper there
What about all the spare money? we will not be paying billions in to the EU, we will only take who we want (£30k plus jobs...), sovereignty!! No. Your right. Cost of living has already gone up with the pound being devalued and will only go in one direction. It is perfectly obvious to anyone that watches the stock market and currencies what the ROW thinks of it all. Falling sterling will only be good for a small number of exporters for a short time. Materials, energy etc all set to go up in price, knock on effect increased prices of UK goods. Value of pensions will be driven down. The cost of sticking two fingers up to the EU is just too high.
The EU apply over 14,000 tariffs on imported goods that drive up retail prices to the EU consumer. The EU are a member of WTO,and WTO rules expressly forbid the imposition of unfair tariffs on individual countries,i.e,if the EU offer preferential terms to one country like Japan,they have to offer the same to every member. There also strict limits on the size of tariffs imposed on other WTO members as a whole. These rules and tariff numbers are displayed on the WTO and EU websites. I have no idea why you think prices will rise after Brexit EXCEPT due to exchange rate fluctuations,(which favour UK exporters),and I'd like to remind you that some years ago the pound fell to near-parity with the euro,long before Brexit was ever considered. I appreciate you are a Remainer,but please,a few facts to back up your claims would be helpful.
Then perhaps the individual EU countries will not allow the pathetic un-elected wankers 'teach us a lesson' after all
We will manage what happens, that is what human beings do. If we take a hit on our standard of living for a time, then that's what happens. It certainly happened the last time someone wanted us to join the political structure of Europe. The only two certainties going forward are: 1, Trade will happen because it always happens. 2. Human beings will find a way forward. You can argue that, why should we have to suffer monetarily just to be separate, politically, from the EU? If you see nothing worrying about how the EU is progressing, decade on decade, then I understand your confusion. However, just because you cannot see a problem does not mean that there isn't one. Obviously, the reverse is true - just because I see a problem with the EU now and increasingly in the future, doesn't make that true either. It's an impasse and the only way to determine our future course, in a democracy, is to have a people's vote. Oh wait - we had one. I recall it distinctly. I don't believe that the worst economic forecasts of Brexit are going to be accurate. I truly don't. I see very survivable pain in the short-term and prosperity after that but ... the important bit comes next ... even if the Remainders most-cherished wet-dream fantasies of Armafeckinggeddon come true - worth it. Totally worth it. I remember the USSR and that is the EU's future, down the road. No thanks. Certain kinds of people always want empires and empires normally end very badly. Oddly enough, the British Empire is the least extreme example of that, that I can think of.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tion-brexit-severe-increase-brc-a8512546.html https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44060430 https://www.theguardian.com/politic...exit-will-raise-food-prices-says-michael-gove https://www.ukpower.co.uk/gas_electricity_news/brexit-higher-energy-bills https://www.utilityhelpline.co.uk/latest-news/brexit-transmission-costs-could-drive-up-energy-bills
holy crap trap batman, some people have crystal balls so if it costs us more, and costs the EU more who gets the money so if it costs us more, and the EU less, why the fook are they bothered
My decent pension was stolen from me too, and we haven't even left yet. Wait - you don't think that drone business over Gatwick is Brexit-related, do you?
thers your problem, your coo..., well, your ok, but its the "taking back controle" brigade i fear thats gonna let you down.
