British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. I suppose all the advocado eating, wheat grass smoothie drinking snowflakes had a few weeks off in 2011 when they rioted all over the place?
     
  2. I support a no deal and I believe it won't prevent movement of goods. Although it could be made difficult if they desire. Doubt they would want that.
    I can see only more control over the French due to the riots, it will be brought in on the basis of security and to protect the people.
     
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  3. The Mayor of Calais has already explained that he sees no reason to create delays and problems on his side of the Channel after WTO Brexit.

    Of course, those louts in Brussels may over-rule him but we will will know who is responsible.
     
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  4. I think at the time of the referendum there were a few percent more in the UK who wanted to leave the EU

    Then Mayhem delayed it all with a two month Gen election, and has been shockingly poor in negotiating (amongst other things) and now there might be a few percent who have changed their minds and feel that remaining in some form is better for them.
     
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  5. Of course, what they do is take a back step and watch whilst those who say they want to have a better community, set it alight, can't afford to rebuild it, then the property developers go in and gentrify it.
     
  6. Wait. What?

    Are you saying that the Remainer PM, the MayBot, has been conducting negotiations to leave the EU in such a poor fashion that it is likely that more people want to Remain in the EU now than did during 2016?

    That's insane. It makes no sense at all.
     
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  7. I'm saying that if the Brexit had concluded quickly, before people saw how inept their government is (and by association the likely poor negotiating) we would already have "Brexited".

    I think its entirely possible many people having had two plus years to think it over have changed their minds. Others might see the debacle of this government and feel that most things May has done have been either poorly thought out or disasterous so they don't believe in her or her "deal". FFS not even her MPs believe in it!
     
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  8. There was no way Brexit could have been concluded quickly under May. The two years of apparent inaction, followed by the twin clusterfucks of Chequers and "May's Deal", are no accident.

    Thought exercise: imagine that the EU was running the Brexit process. Their goal would be to cancel Brexit but what methodology would they use? They couldn't just say, "Nah, we ain't doing it." They would have to arrange things so that the British people themselves choose Remain over Leaving, or else an unpredictable backlash might occur. How could the British people be persuaded to backtrack on a democratically arrived-at course of action?

    Compare that potential scenario with what we have witnessed over the past two-point-five years ...
     
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  9. So I think you said firstly there won't be riots (due to lack of football hooligans & punks), then you said there will be riots?
     
  10. nope
     
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  11. i guess you could present the hard reality of what it means to be out the EU. surely that would be one way of doing it.
     
  12. The EU are of course wanting the UK to Remain.

    Two years of clusterfuck by May might be a bonus for the EU, possibly aided by the EU. However the responsibility for the shocking government inaction, lack of leadership, implausible speeches, ever changing Ministers, refusal to engage with the public is the responsibility of the government, led by the awkward wooden May, who can't even out dance a fridge.
     
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  13. And what did your visit to the future reveal about "the hard reality of Brexit"?

    : o D
     
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  14. seems fair so here goes....195 countries in the world, after we leave, only 27 will be in the eu. The rest seem to do okay.

    How'd that work for ya?
     
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  15. the future tells me that for many uk trade deals to succeed (strange word for a tory i know) areas that are devolved will need to be removed and returned to Westminster to enable them to sell off to the highest bidder. or traded off to secure the financial sector.
    what they will do is change the terms of the Scotland act to enable this, it will be worded something like, the uk gov will not normally change areas of competency of the scot gov, in any future disagreement it will be deemed as
    yes means agree,
    no means agree
    no reply means agree.
     
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  16. Did you find that bottle of tia maria again?
     
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  17. do they? tell me about the other 168 and there relative wealth and levels of inequality. tell me about their electoral systems that they use to achieve such greatness. are they hampered by a FPTP electoral system, do they have unelected place men in a second chamber? do they operate in a feudal class system?
     
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  18. quite nice with coke, but i dont drink.
     
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  19. Most of the 195 countries are in a trading block and some do seem to be doing OK, quite possibly for that very reason.
     
  20. and yet, still they are not in the eu unless you're using Diane Abbot maths? :D
     
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