British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. There’s a danger of it ending up like a lot a software then, you know - popping up boxes saying ‘are you sure you want to do that’. I always think ‘yes, or I wouldn’t have pushed the f*kin button would I’
     
  2. I am indeed, I am also aware he is a remainer, his constituency voted to remain but also did you know, convention(those things Bercow has suddenly decided to overturn) Convention is that any speaker of the house never has any opposition from the main opposition parties in elections for their role as M.P. So in 2015 and 2017 general elections, no Labour or lib dem candidate stood against Bercow

    If you want to start off with, see you 17.4 million who voted and won a democratic vote, you don't know shit and as we lost we want another go, as your starting line up then crack on. The 2016 has to be acted on otherwise it can only ever be seen as never endums are now to be the norms. If yu believe polls, little has changed on opinions, what we do know is that noisy people want to stop brexit, don't always turn up at the polling booths, brexiteers it seems, do

    Why should anyone trust a remainer who says that? you say if we have a second vote and it goes your way, we need to act quickly upon it, surely that second vote if remainers won, would now be open to a third and deciding vote? or are you hoping to act quickly to stop a third vote if you get your way? so others cannot do what you would have just done?
     
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  3. Its true, things can easily become over cautious. Then again if either of us had just accidently deleted our University thesis or as adults had agreed to the transfer the contents of our bank accounts (by 'phonr) we might have appreciated an "‘are you sure you want to do that button?
     
  4. But fin that's just plain silly. Democracy has always been about the majority but the hope the majority was the largest part of the populous. Even the Scottish snp government makes decisions that cannot cater for all of the Scottish people but seeks to cater for the largest possible majority of the population.

    After centuries, this system has been shown to have it's faults but is the most successfull.
     
  5. Taking back control, the view from the FT
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    https://www.ft.com/content/c47e7ee4-14e6-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e

    Its an incredibly damning article by a Conservative paper and well worth a read.

    Heres an exerpt

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    https://www.ft.com/content/c47e7ee4-14e6-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e

    The government repeatedly ignored and does not even participate in votes on opposition motions. The government committed itself to billions of pounds of public expenditure in a blatant bribe to the Democratic Unionist party for support in a supply and confidence arrangement. The government repeatedly seeks to circumvent or abuse the Sewell convention in its dealings with the devolved administrations. The government seeks to legislate for staggeringly wider “Henry VIII powers” so that it can legislate and even repeal Acts without any recourse to parliament.

    The government even sought to make the Article 50 notification without any parliamentary approval and forced the litigation to go all the way to the Supreme Court (where it lost). The government employed three QCs to oppose the litigation on whether Article 50 could be revoked unilaterally (which it also lost).
     
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  6. aye, i'm sure those that use the more modern PR systems would agree. noob. :rolleyes:
     
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  7. I said is 50/50.
    I didn’t say was 50/50
    Nobody knows the exact split now, not even you.
    Nobody knew the consequences then and nobody knows them now but we do have a slightly better idea of them now
     
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  8. Just explain to me if you would fin, Scotlands population is around 5.3 million and has 59 mp's in westminster.
    London has 8.1 million people and have 73 mp's how would pr work in your eyes with those numbers?
     
  9. it would work fine by me. giving you your independence free from all the bickering would suit me better.
     
  10. Nearly an answer fin but in your finest tradition, no answer at all, could you?
     
  11. Good point.
     
  12. could i what? even with the results pre 2015 still be happy with a guaranteed 20-30 SNP MP'S for as long as they continue to impress me the way they do? yer darn tootin i would.
     
  13. I’m not sure Essex is that great.

    Is this what needs to change then, but I don’t see how it’s related to being in the EU ?
     
  14. if i mind right essex voted to leave with one of the highest? results for leaving. edinbro with 75% voted to remain. 2years after being told the only way to guarantee EU membership was to vote no.
     
  15. edinbro probably has one of the highest levels of eu residents living in Scotland. they where allowed to vote in 2014. how would they have voted? but not 2016. how would they have voted?
     
  16. I sort of see that as people of Essex want things to change, people of Edinburgh want it to stay the same ?
     
  17. not necessarily the same, but i think they along with the rest of us would like to make a bit of a difference.
     
  18. And if the second vote ends the same? What then: more delays until a 3rd?

    Somethings are fixed in time and to be implemented. Brexit was one of them. As everyone said at the time.
     
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  19. I think so.

    I wonder if there was a vote for

    A - do you want to keep the current political structure.

    Or

    B - do you want to change the whole political structure.

    What the outcome would be ?
    I don’t know the answer to how it should change, but I’d like to see / hear options
     
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