England was offered devolution, it turned out at the time the english didnt deem it necessary. labour have been promising electoral reform since the year dot. as have the liberals.
Best electoral reform IMO is to line up all the self-serving lying b*****ds against a wall and...........................
It isn't, it's one of fins diverts, let me show you how it works Edinburgh population 480,000 and had 187,796 votes to remain but if you say it as 74% it sounds much bigger Essex population 1.4 million and had 622, 912 votes to leave but if you say 62% it sounds smaller In fins head, higher percentages of Scots voted to remain than brits voted to leave and so the U.K. must be anti Scottish. despite in real numbers 1.6 million scots voted to remain whilst 15.1 million English voted to leave The honesty of the vote comes in numbers and rarely percentages.
quite possibly, but i know of at least one country that has got so fed up waiting for it. they have gone from a stage where we would of voted for a lamppost had there been a red rosette on it to them being the third party. with predictions of only 15% of the vote in the next GE in only 10years,
Nope but I did see I put leave instead of remain for edi and that has been corrected, what part you talking about?
Finm beat me to it, what were the percentages in terms of people that voted though ? I think The UK voted to leave, doesn’t matter which county voted what. I also think that the people that voted leave did so because they want things to change.
Are you asking as a U.K. vote as it was ? 46,501,241 people were entitled to vote. Of those entitled to vote, 26,033 submitted spoilt papers Of the 46,501,241 entitled to vote and chose either leave or remain, 33,551,983 voted
I meant in terms of Essex versus Edinburgh. I think I see what you are getting at anyway, basically you can take the numbers and generally use them in a way to show what you want to show. My take on it is it’s irrelevant with our system which area voted which way, it’s the overall count that matters. Which was to leave, so that’s what we should do ?
So let me get this straight. YOUR idea of democracy is that: Parliament votes by a huge majority to hold a Referendum. The Prime Minister goes on TV and tells people that it is a once in a lifetime vote,it will mean leaving the customs union etc etc. The referendum is held and a clear majority,(4%),vote to leave,in the largest turn out of voters in UK history A large majority in parliament vote for the European Withdrawal Act which sets in stone our departure on March 29th 2019. A large majority in parliament agree to The 1972 European Repeal Act or whatever it's called. A general election is then held and the two major parties promise to deliver the result of the referendum if elected. The mantra repeated by the PM and others is,"no deal is better than a bad deal". 2.5 years go past where both major parties try to come up with a way of reneging on their campaign promise The government comes up with a plan to keep us in the EU,but won't put it to a vote. "No deal is better than a bad deal",becomes "my deal or no Brexit",completely forgetting that an act is on the statute book which will require repealing before Article 50 can even be extended,(thanks Gina Miller) The supposedly-impartial Speaker makes up the rules as he goes along to further his own agenda,("Bollocks to Brexit",remember?,in order to allow parliament a meaningless vote on whether to allow further amendments to whatever deal May proposes. And this vote is passed with a majority of 22...less than 4% of Members in the House! So you seem to imply that a Leave majority of 4% in the referendum,("once in a lifetime",remember,no mention of a second referendum then or in the general election manifestos of both parties ),doesn't represent a democratic outcome,but a majority of less than 4% of MP's voting for something you approve of IS a democratic outcome? Man...you really should either read a dictionary,or just admit that you are a remainer with no interest in democracy unless you get what you voted for. And THAT is NOT democracy
I had read, and I'm trying to find it, but it ties in with Bercows breaking with parliamentry convention. Many rules within parliament are by established convention and not by law, the bit I'm trying to find is that if you lose a vote of no confidence as a government that parliamentry convention is that they have time to create another government or go to an election. I seem to remember that there is no actual law to force them to do that, only parliamentry convention. Should they have a general election however, Labours problem is 60% of their voters (do not confuse this with momentum members) 60% of Labours voters voted to leave and labours stance from what anyone can take of it is to stay in the single market, stay in the ecj, stay in the free movement of people and customs union. That is going to be an awful hard sell to their own supporters.
hmm, i see a lot of these kind of analysis of the brexit decision. brexiteers (not all) seem to have an identity problem. they also seem to differ when it comes to identifying where the establishment and power resides. an interesting wee watch, from 2mins and maybe more from 16mins featuring the strangely attractive Lesley Riddoch https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=730&v=lOSj6WYCiEU
Not really fin. Brexit needs to be carried out as per the countries wish as per the majority democratic result. Once that is done, then we have a clean slate more or less for the house to show it's new way forward. What IS happening however, is the house is jumping the gun(being largely remain) and sabotaging the very same leaving that ONCE COMPLETED, will give them new powers.
whats that got to do with peoples conception of where the power lies and there sense of identity? nothing. the uk Parliament holds the power and are attempting to make a one nation Britain. you will have less control and feel more like number rather than a people by the end of this process. you gorrit all back to front. so you have.
We are one nation Britain fin, please tell me you didn't sit a geography exam or programme sat navs for a living. If there is another election, it will be interesting to see the various parties manifesto's given how many said they would enable brexit in the last one
the vote will be lost bigtime, they will go for an extension of article 50 then test the water after.
She's expecting at least 90 rejections from the ERG, then add to that it is still the chequers deal she is trying to sell , I suspect around 218 she will lose by.
