British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Who would need to agree them? Do you know what the process is?
     
  2. Does anyone here know what the process would be for trying to decide the questions in a new referendum if it happens?
     
  3. surely it's the government that decide what the options are, they did for the first one. (didn't they ?)
     
  4. I don’t know. Is it the Cabinet? Mrs May? A Committee of some sort? Parliament?

    I wonder what the process is. I’m sure it will be difficult but a new referendum is still being floated as a possible outcome so I guess those that know the process think it wouldn’t be “impossible” to decide the choices to be offered.
     
  5. It will only take 5 years to decide :thinkingface:
     
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  6. The problem with the second vote is many fold

    (1) it removes democracy
    (2) will increase apathy in voting/politics seeing why bother voting if you know someone can go bwahhhh we lost can we do it again
    (3) removes faith in democratic voting
    (4) now becomes a tool to allow neverendums and to block anything
     
  7. It was Finm :)
     
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  8. I suppose the only way to avoid those problems would be to have a referendum on 'How should we leave?'
     
  9. I think 6 months or thereabouts has been suggested in the press as the lead time that would be needed for a new referendum.
     
  10. nah, but it should of been.
     
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  11. You could decide the questions however the more questions you have other than wto/free trade, it creates an imbalance of the vote.
     
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  12. That's because you ignore any further question is how and not yes or no, that part has been done
     


  13. We are at an turning point for British democracy (yes even you fin:D)

    We had a question asked of the people using our standard way of voting
    We gave an answer using our standard way of voting
    We now have a democratic majority vote wish by the people to leave
    We have a house of parliament wishing to overturn it and ignore the leave vote.
     
  14. maybe i dont recognize the brexiteers arguments on where the power lies. and where the uk's problems originate. could it not really be just that simple?
     
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  15. When article 50 was launched, many who knew how the eu would play this, said go to wto/free trade at the same time as launching article 50.

    The reason was not only to go to wto/free trade but also it would have ring fenced both sides into an agreed already set out standards in negotiations and neither side could have gone outside unless both agreed and where agreement didn't happen, you still had a clear rule set to fall back on.

    In truth, the only deal that will see the U.K. reach a set of agreements that the eu cannot fuck about with, is the wto free trade. That is why the eu do not want us to go for it because so far, every other option put forward, leaves the eu with some level of control over the U.K. and the vote was to leave the control of the e.u.
     
  16. As you are clearly so well informed, maybe you could supply us with a list of countries that are trading on pure WTO rules, as we would have to, having no trade agreements in place.

    My understanding is that there none, with the possible exception of Mauritius or was it Mauritania, I forget. Not that it matters.
    Please don't fob us off with a long list of countries that are WTO members, as most countries in the world are members, including us as a member of the EU but we lose that membership and would have to re-join on leaving the EU.
     
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