Our politicians are a joke, but yours takes the biscuit . To be fair though, ours haven't worked in 2 years, at least yours are trying and at least turn up.
I note that after spending a day wasting parliaments time, he felt unable to attend a meeting tonight to pursue a solution with No 10. Always the protestor, never a facilitator or real leader.
I was initially surprised at our previous poll. However I now believe it’s a pretty good reflection of what the country wants. Even though we may be a fairly narrow cross section of the population. Having just seen a quick poll on ITV in which the majority wanted a second referendum and the least amount of voters wanted a hard Brexit, I now find that hard to believe. Maybe it’s fake news by the media, surely not? Judging by this poll it confirms what I’ve been telling people for some time now. Most people want to get out now and get it done. Can someone inform Westminster.
Meanwhile Jeremy Corbyn refuses to do anything until hard Brexit is taken off the table. Thus perpetuating the deadlock. What do you think about that?
If labour changed their leader and we had an early election they could easily win a general election; especially if they agreed to a second carefully worded referendum. As you can tell I'm back on some serious top shelf stuff again.
Corbyn once again shows his true colours. An epic failure, waste of space and air supply exactly at the time the country could do with a strong opposition.
HAMMOND ATTEMPTS TO THWART BREXIT The Chancellor claimed next week’s Bill, which could force the Government to extend Article 50, was likely to win support and act as the 'ultimate backstop' against a no-deal Brexit Philip Hammond told business leaders that the “threat” of a no-deal Brexit could be taken “off the table” within days and potentially lead to Article 50 “rescinded”, a leaked recording of a conference call reveals. The Chancellor set out how a backbench Bill could effectively be used to stop any prospect of no deal. He suggested that ministers may even back the plan when asked for an “assurance” by the head of Tesco that the Government would not oppose the motion. He claimed next week’s Bill, which could force the Government to extend Article 50, was likely to win support and act as the “ultimate backstop” against a no-deal Brexit, as a “large majority in the Commons is opposed to no deal under any circumstances”. A recording of the call, passed to The Daily Telegraph, recounts how the Chancellor, Greg Clark, the Business Secretary, and Stephen Barclay, the Brexit Secretary, spent nearly an hour talking to the leaders of 330 leading firms. They included the heads of Siemens, Amazon, Scottish Power, Tesco and BP, all of whom warned against no deal. The disclosure reveals the close nature of the relationship between the Treasury and some of Britain’s biggest businesses, and how they appear to be working in tandem to block a hard Brexit. It will also add to suspicions that Mr Hammond has been orchestrating attempts to soften Brexit. Mr Hammond assured the business leaders that the Government would stop spending money on no-deal preparations “as soon as we know we are not going there” and give businesses “a resumption of normal service”. He indicated the Government was open to talks over the customs union by saying it could not go into discussions with other parties “waving flags with red lines on them”. Mr Clark argued “we can’t have no deal” and said Theresa May would return to the Commons, following the defeat of her Brexit deal by a record margin on Tuesday, with “at least as close a trading relationship” as proposed under her original agreement. However, Mr Barclay, a Eurosceptic, appeared to clash with his colleagues by warning that taking no deal off the table would “weaken the negotiation hand” with Brussels. The Prime Minister on Wednesday night won a vote of no-confidence tabled by Labour and invited the leaders of other parties to meet for talks. Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, declined to talk while a no-deal Brexit remained on the table. Mrs May refused to rule out entering into a customs union with the EU, in an apparent softening of her stance, as EU leaders urged her to retreat on her “red lines”. Mr Hammond’s conference call was held at 9.30pm on Tuesday, less than two hours after Mrs May’s Commons defeat. The Chancellor, Mr Clark and Mr Barclay hosted the 51-minute call from Downing Street. In his opening remarks, Mr Hammond gave a clear “sequence” on how Article 50 could be extended. He said: “Could we extend the Article 50 deadline to give us more time? The simple answer is that the EU would not consider the request for the extension … unless or until we have a clear plan to go forward. “The sequence has to be first to reach out to opinion across the Commons to establish the terms on which we can build a majority for a way forward. “If necessary [we] go back to the EU to agree changes that are necessary to deliver that consensus. And at that time, if more time is going to be required, to negotiate that with the EU.” He highlighted the cross-party Bill tabled by Nick Boles, the Tory MP, which will force the Government to extend Article 50 if a Brexit deal cannot be reached. MPs will vote on an amendment that will pave the way for the Bill on Monday. Mr Boles told The Telegraph that Mrs May would face a Cabinet revolt if she attempted to oppose his amendment. During the conference call, Mr Hammond added: “I can simply as a parliamentarian say it is clear to me there is a large majority in the Commons that is opposed to no deal in any circumstances.” A Treasury source said Mr Hammond made clear that he was not advocating extending Article 50 during the call but explaining the process.
Yours haven't made a mistake for two years and have increased funding to NI by more than a Billion pounds. Hard imagine them doing any better than that!
I heard the £350M/wk being debunked by the Remainder side much, much more often that I heard the slogan itself. How about that? Indeed, Norway was strongly promoted in the run-up to the Ref. I heard less about Canada++ in the early stages. But again, I say that anyone paying attention to the issue knew that a Canada++, a pretty reasonable compromise, was never going to be offered or agreed by the EU prior to the UK actually leaving. It was widely known, and discussed in this very Ducati Forum, that the EU would only ever be interested in being seen to punish the UK for leaving, as a lesson to others. This Forum did not invent that argument, I guarantee it. For myself, as I learned more about Norway, I liked that option less and less. Other folk may have started off better informed on that particular option than me. It quickly became evident that Norway does not equal Leave. And I don't need to support my line of reasoning at this stage - you have yet to prove your opening contention that most Leavers thought they were voting for a Deal, and for no-Brexit if a Deal was not forthcoming. Can't wait for for you to do that! Proof? Prior to the vote, I knew that realistically, the only options for leaving the EU were on the basis of either a bad deal for the UK, or WTO. I am special, but I am not unique! And if Remain had stated at the outset that they were only considering Leave on the EU's terms, no matter how hilariously bad those terms would be, as evidenced by MayBot's "Deal", what then? We only know the result of the referendum. We can speculate on why other people voted as they did. We can even speculate on why voters, on each side, may have subsequently changed their minds. In the face of compensating errors and deviations, all we have left is the actual result. ; o )
Ducati forum (typically old white males) pole is more likely to be accurate than the ones shown on national ITV? My, how things have changed. It wasn't like that when I was young...
Not most leavers, if only 5% of leavers thought they were voting for something other than immediate departure from the EU / WTO trade Remain voters would have carried the day.
Let it go, Jez. That was the old thread. It's a brand new thread here. Rejoice that we will be leaving on WTO terms on 29 March 2019! : o D
One thing is for sure, the Ducati Forum is NOT representative of the UK demographic. We are motorcyclists. ..... tend to be thought of as rebels by most of polite society. We ride the most expensive and exotic machine (s), which means we probably have a higher income than most and for sure, better taste.
a brand new thread for brand new facts? cool, lets have a rerun bassed on these new facts. or are you feart?
