Much as I dislike Trump, this is exactly his argument. A genuinely free, free trade deal, globally. No tariffs whatsoever, let countries/businesses compete on a level playing field. I know in global politics and socio-economics this is a simplistic dream but IMO it has some merit.
It's not the EU's problem at all. It's a problem for the UK and Eire but the EU have taken it up as a big stick to beat the UK with in the negotiations, ever since Dec 2017 when the UK said 'there'll be no hard border' without thinking things through, just to get the negotiations over that hurdle. However, divisions are beginning appear as we play what is probably the highest stakes poker game in town. Some member states are beginning to say 'perhaps we could relent a little on the backstop'. Even JRM is making noises that 'perhaps some sort of withdrawal agreement may be acceptable' - I paraphrase.
Aye, which is why the UK has agreed that in the event the backstop is invoked 'mainland' Uk will also remain tied to the EU customs union for the duration of the backstop. For Hard Core brexiteers this is a no-no.
There's no problem with an open border here, the problem lies in Brussels (and Strasbourg in the summer).
It's not just hard core brexiteers as you put it, the vote on July's chequers deal is what they recently saw the government lose the vote by a 330 majority. Even the most ardent remainers know the backstop is a trap, one created to never fully release the U.K. from the eu. Again this is where europeans get confused. Our vote was for the U.K. to leave the control of the eu, not lets see how other eu members feel about it. Agree, left to our own devices the U.K. and Irish government could sort this as two nations tied to a legal agreement to put terrorism as a thing of the past, unfortunately the body seeking to control everything and everyone, the eu, thinks the eu project is more important.
As Winston Churchill once said 'We have always found the Irish to be a bit odd, they refuse to be English'. A solution to the 'Irish issue' or 'Irish problem' has been sought for over 500 years. The UK Govt still doesn't have a solution for that, how long does everyone think Brexit will take?
I agree. There are many here think they should take their seats. It may only be 7, but with everything in the balance at present and such a slim majority their votes count. However, 'killers' aside, their issue is they refuse to pledge allegiance to the Queen, which they have to do on taking up their seat. That's why they don't sit in Westminster.
And yet sinn fien have gone from blowing up royals to meeting them and shaking hands with them https://www.irishnews.com/news/nort...ness-shook-hands-with-queen-elizabeth-971302/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32786393 I'm sure if the royals, whose direct relative was probably killed on the orders off one of these men, can see over that grief and history, then the seven people voted to represent part of the N.I. community, can sit down too in a chamber to get the best. Sinn fien can only hold that position for so long before people forget the troubles for what they are and see everyone around them is moving on. Anyway, I suspect most within the four nations see Ireland as the 5th, not in a "we own you kinda way" some often try and portray just to keep us divided, but more of a long history of troubles that has taken hard work to bring us to a relationship were we are like family. In that love you, you get on my tits kinda way families do. Like the we do with the Scots but the Irish are not as tight
@noobie I agree wholeheartedly, as do many here. 1. SF should get off their high horse and take up their seats. Move on. Build a bridge and get over it. 2. The Irish definitely are not tight. We will always be the first to buy a round. Will always buy one back if one’s been bought for us. Will always put food & drink on the table for visitors. And even gave Apple €13 billion!
You are dreaming if you think the Irish border is just an Irish issue. Or you still don't understand it. Mays deal is a bad deal for many reasons, and in the long run probably worse than No Deal, but I don't think it is a trap. You have smoked a bit too much dope to be that paranoid. Cant say I have heard other remainers think it is a trap either.
I think you have misinterpreted most of what I have written. That was all tongue in cheek. Quoting the beliefs of the ill informed who are leading the UK into No Deal. Even Farage has said its not a great idea and that no one campaigned for it. Its only idiot Tory MPs that think that we can all apply for an Irish passport. To have an Irish passport you need an Irish parent or grandparent. Sadly, I miss out by one generation. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ridgen-tory-mp-brexit-border-eu-a8587286.html
I believe I can help here. The WA backstop is a trap. I am pleased and proud to have been able to assist you here.
let me help you here. in your paranoid opinion its a trap. Some consolation for you though: just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not out to get you. It may be a trap, or it may not be. Either way, May's deal is not an option
Lets ignore the debate about whether this will leave us better or worse off. Even Mogg and Farage say we will be worse off. Besides there are other valid reasons for voting for something other than financial, such as morality, ethics or simply a preference. It is clear that the overwhelming majority here want a no deal Brexit. What is the best option for the UK Low tax economy? Will that be allowed to materialise? Corbyn Marxist take over? Deport the foreigners? Ring of steel around the coast? What is the plan? Your vision? Let's have something positive. Too much doom and gloom at the moment
May's deal (I mean of course, the EU's deal as being sold by their agent, Theresa May), is appalling. It would be appalling without the backstop. With the backstop, it is appallingly appalling. How would you characterise the backstop? Do you believe that it could be used cynically by the EU to manipulate the post-"Brexit" UK? What feature of it do you believe prevents it from being used cynically by the EU? If you cannot see the relevance of my questions, please just say so. That will be sufficient answer in itself.
No, I read your post as tongue in cheek. My response was intended to be tongue in cheek also. (plus I was a little bit tipsy ) Perhaps not. Even a great-grandparent still counts. I posted this link the other day in another thread for another member, take a look. http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/inis/pages/citizenship
first line lets ignore ...better or worse off... next line even moggy and Farage say we will be worse off.. derek....
I see, sorry! Thank you for the link.....but I cannot apply, since my mother did not apply to the Foreign Births Register Between 1956 and 1986. That's a shame.
yes, because our financial status after a hard Brexit is not in question. Additionally, we have other threads to discuss that. so no need to bring that debate into this thread. Let's stay focussed on …. What does the future hold? That was the point of those very deliberate comments. To channel the discussion. How do we recover financially? Andy.....
What people seem to forget in my opinion, what ever deal we leave with, even if No Deal, it is the deal at the time We leave, after that what's to say we can't make, change, do what ever the deal We want. Both sides will change a deal if it suits both parties, what ever the deal was made when We left.
