British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  2. Absolutely. Although the backstop really is a trap : o )

    I also said some time ago that the backstop was also a lizard's tail. By that, i mean that if the lizard (the WA) got into serious trouble, the backstop could be dropped (like a lizard's tale, get it?) and the UK could be shafted by the other terms of the execrable WA. I still expect that to happen.

    In your appraisal of LBC presenters above, you mention JRM is a lunatic to your ears. I find this an odd observation but OK. It's your opinion.
    I am much more interested to hear from you regarding JOB. Personally, he seems to be dire need of locking up in solitary for the good of the country but do you have an alternative take?
     
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  3. Humble opinion only of course, but JRM never has the detail to back up a good case and yet he continues to argue a case without being able to back it up. To me that is lunacy. He rarely is on solid ground. Farage, on the other hand, more often is. I think he understands the negotiating philosophy of never undermining a good argument with a bad one.

    JOB, on the other hand always argues from facts and maybe now is a good time to ask you when he has ever proven to be incorrect?

    I can understand why Brexiteers are unhappy with him. He manages to dismantle the arguments of every caller that phones him up. Mainly because they invariably argue from a false premise.

    There are valid arguments that can be made for Brexit but these are rarely made in the right way.
     
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  4. Hitler was obviously a bad man.

    You are a bad man for making me laugh at that photo of the house
     
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  6. I found farages argument that it bound the hands of future prime ministers on matters regarding the future constitutional arrangements within the U.K. quite compelling. That really shouldnt be within the jurisdiction of the EU. So for me, whether it is a trap or not is secondary.
     
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  8. I am glad I am not delivering any major projects in London at the moment where a truck from Europe has to leave a factory and arrive at a pre booked time at a loading bay in Canary Wharf.
     

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  10. It is a trap, the deputy Irish prime minister this morning said that the backstop cannot be temporary, without it it being permanent then it offers no protection.

    When you have the deputy and irish priminister's saying that if invoked, then the backstop must be permanent, I'm not sure how many times and by key relevant people have to say it before it sinks in for some?

    What the backstop does is contradict article 50 which applies to all 28. The contradiction is ..Of course you can leave the eu, but not really.
     
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  11. Which will not change after brexit, even with wto and free trade deal option. The ferries will still run, the trucks will still truck and projects will still be doing projects.

    The biggest problem for projects in London is that daft apeth Khan making it impossible to have quotes for a job in London
    without factoring in "wtf, how much to enter london?" charges. He's a right khant
     
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  12. You never know when the French might go on strike or protest, blocking roads to the port, rough seas preventing ferry crossings, motorway blocked due to major accident or even the lorry itself breaking down, so many possibilities to delay freight.
     
  13. Yeah right. Like I have only just started my career and not experienced any of that before in the last 20 years. Extremely rare and often got around by taking alternate routes.
     
  14. The only times I've had issues with strikes at calais or paris, has been whilst we have been in the eu
     
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  15. As I am an ex hgv distance and continental driver, I also know of all possible delays, and all I mentioned have happened to me, so quite possible.
     
  16. I generally agree except for a couple of items:

    1) No one can agree on anything else so there won’t be an extension to Article 50 - Bercow will enable amendments to be voted for on Tuesday that risk Article 50 being delayed for months, subject to EU 27 agreement that I expect they would give as it leads to their goal. Or, take out the option of a no agreement exit. I sincerely hope they fail but it's a real risk.

    2) Brexit is likely the end of the U.K - In my opinion we would be more and more restricted in our opportunities under the future EU plans. We need to take the risk to break out, re-align our economy and take all the advantages of being able to determine the future. Massive changes is the future (AI for example) and being flexible and reacting quiickly will be to our gain. The EU is jeopardised by it's protectionist stance and the ultimate flaws of the Euro that will never work in it's present form.

    If we can make it to a managed exit without a deal, I believe that we have a great opportunity to succeed. We have record employment and just 4% unemployment, salaries are rising faster (because of Brexit?) than inflation that is under control. Good time to throw the dice.
     
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  17. Hopefully another reason for Main Contractors to place orders with UK manufacturers instead of Italian, Spanish or other. Good for balance of payments also:upyeah:
     
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  18. Do you have an independent source for this remarkable Scottish business performance by chance?
     
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  19. I would like to think so and over time hopefully we can recover our manufacturing base.
    Sadly, thanks to Thatcher, we have lost our manufacturing base. Can you believe we don’t have one company that makes generators?
    My current employer manufactures in the U.K. Germany, Italy and Spain.
     
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