British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Oi, BBC2 now :eyes:
     
  2. This was the best independent info I could find (thanks for letting me do your homework....)
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    Can't see much sign of the Scottish powering its way in front of the rest of the UK. Can you find anything better?
     
  3. You'll get your tenner in roubles and lump it :D
     
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  4. Your not missing anything chap, the extreme remainers haven't worked out yet they lost the vote a couple of years ago
     
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  5. Will have to be an IPlayer job for me :)
     
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  6. thats because yer figures are out of date. i think the clue was rise in exports to the EU LAST YEAR. not that i am entirely sure what your figures are saying. if they are saying historically we are lagging behind. well durr, no shit sherlock. Scotland, 2005. poorest country in the uk and EU.
    the uk's economy was transformed in to banking and services where is the majority of that based?. look at the figures for london and the south east. now look at how much the rest of england has suffered. guess where, those outwith london and the S/E, have been told to point the finger and to whom they should air the grievance..
    we where talking about growth. i said we doubled the rUK figures for the last quarter of 2018 and where higher over the year than rUK. and for yet another year we have another trade surplice with half our exports going to the EU for the first time.
    as apposed for yet another year of deficits for rUK.
    its a v,simple search. try again.
     
    #23286 finm, Jan 28, 2019
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  7. So you can show me some independent figures to back this up? Or not?
     
  8. Two points if I may fin?

    Scotland, 2005. poorest country in the uk and EU.
    Fin, Scotland isn't a eu country, the U.K. is, , the eu see Scotland as a region in the u.k. in many ways it's like walloon or catalonia

    Now having said that I wonder on the second point
    and for yet another year we have another trade surplice with half our exports going to the EU for the first time.

    Given you think you are a seperate eu country to the U.K., are you including Scotlands exports to the U.K. as a eu country to eu country figures? if so that would be a peversion of the figures and facts would it not? Driving down the road in the same country is not eu to eu. If this is the case then creative figure management has taken place
     
  9. So you can show me some independent figures to back this up? Or not?
    yip, hunners and hunners. it a v,simple search. the fact that somebody hasn't means i dont have to. i could also link to tourist and visitor numbers across the uk since, the rise and fall by "region".... but they, will only kick off again.
     
  10. This is covered by the gfa which allows the common travel area arrangement between the UK government and the Irish government which operates in tandem with the free movement provisions of EU law, to such a degree that it is often difficult to disaggregate what is the precise source of the particular free movement right in issue.

    Both the freedom of movement under the eu and the common travel area arrangement under the gfa allows that freedom. If you remove one, the same freedom remains with the other.
     
  11. Given you think you are a seperate eu country to the U.K., are you including Scotlands exports to the U.K. as a eu country to eu country figures? if so that would be a peversion of the figures and facts would it not? Driving down the road in the same country is not eu to eu. If this is the case then creative figure management has taken place
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    the uk thinks we are a country, so much so the uk registered us with the UN as one. doh.
    i guess you can stand to lose another 60bill in trade too.
    anyhoo. fill yer boots
    https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/RTS/Pages/default.aspx
    https://blogs.gov.scot/scotlands-economy/2018/12/06/eu-taking-more-than-half-of-scotlands-exports/
    so, where are we noo? 4-5? posts. best i sit the next few out.
     
  12. You asked me about the border, I've shown you under the gfa, irish can move into the U.K. (N.I.) and vice a versa. That is covered and used now and as the gfa is being respected by the U.k. that movement by the people of ireland within Ireland remains

    What on earth are you babbling on about now? Most countries have immigration rules that cover resident and immigrant marriage, you need to get out of the U.K. a bit more to gain some knowledge. If you were talking about gay marriage and abortion then you have taken a delibrate misdirect after I have shown you the answer to your question about free travel and now you feel silly because you are bringing in subjects that have jack to do with brexit.
     
  13. Usual word soup to avoid an answer I'll try again

    Fin, is Scotland considering itself as an eu country, so when it sends stuff down the road/on the ship to another part of the same U.K. that we are all in, is Scotland declaring this as part of their Scotland to europe trade figures, yes or no? I ask fin because isn't 61% of Scotlands exports, to other parts of the U.K. and only 17% to the eu?
     
    #23293 noobie, Jan 28, 2019
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  14. not enough options there, if you had given A,yes, B, no, or C should i read those links. i wold suggest. hmm. C. go with C.
     
  15. This is why you use percentages fin, you claim Scotland does better than the U.K. and using this link YOU provided a bit further up https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/RTS/Pages/default.aspx

    It shows that indeed Scotland has the highest percentage of exports of all U.K. nations at 6.2% and England at 3.1%
    However, this is why The snp and scottish government use percentages rather than real figures
    In the real world and using your own scottish government link
    Scotlands exports were £29.6 billion for the year
    Englands were £247.6 billion
    No one really falls for that percentage nonsense the snp often use
     
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  16. So you are saying the Britain has got nothing to do with the creation of a border on Ireland......well that explains a lot about your knowledge of the subject
     
  17. Our precious union, blah blah blah

    No deal is in the post

    Tick Tock

    All down to Conservative party self preservation and incompetence
     
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  18. Well for some time now there has been operation Gull, you may have heard of it but this will explain it a bit clearer but it's an agreement between the north and south so the U.K. and Irish governments since 2014
    https://www.derryjournal.com/news/7...order-officers-under-operation-gull-1-7900800
     
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  19. GFA makes no mention of CTA or freedom of movement. Both were assumed. It has no provision for Brexit.

    More pish from Noobie
     
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  20. I believe I listed some compelling reasons for Brexit.
     
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