Quite right, I will not further wander down the path of a discussion on socialism in the Brexit thread. Nor will I engage in discussions concerning Thatch as I have no wish to incur a forum ban. I will say that I am not a big fan of increasing the tax burden for the poorest individuals ... but to entirely safeguard "the poor", you would need to seriously consider the abolition of indirect taxes for essentials - food, clothing, energy, etc - and increase direct taxation accordingly. Good luck with that, let me how it goes.
i think you will find the problem with thatchernomics you will eventually run out of north sea oil revenues to pay for relatively low direct taxation in the uk. revenues we where happy to share, not mismanage.
To be honest, the time for low taxation and personal responsibility in the UK is past. And that has nothing to do with North Sea oil.
in comparison to other countries. The Government of Margaret Thatcher, who favoured indirect taxation, reduced personal income tax rates during the 1980s. In the first budget after her election victory in 1979, the top rate was reduced from 83% to 60% and the basic rate from 33% to 30%. ... The top rate of income tax was cut to 40% in the 1988 budge at an average price of over 50dollars a barrel x 42billion barrels that is an awfy lot of money for country with an awfy lot of debt and poverty,
I suspect there is an element of sinn fein being involved to push their case if a hard border goes up (even though only the eu has said they will force one to be in place) then sinn fien will insist on a unite ireland vote as a backdoor way to achieve their goal. small parties raison detre
There is a hard border to prevent free movement, there must be some difference in trade as there is cigarette smuggling. Spain do get awkward at times and cause long delays so other than a few more checks not a lot. I think a lot of Spanish work in Gibraltar. I might be completely wrong though. Steve
you wont hear much, they voted 95% remain. but that doesn't matter, its just more of the same Britain gets what england wants. they are also a colony. which does mean they can vote to go independent
Possible bargaining chip for Mays new negotiations. Spain may want a pound of flesh if anything is to be given away.
Gib has one of the lowest employment figures in the world and around 50% of their workforce is Spanish. The last thing the locals on the Spanish side want is some twat in Madrid screwing around with it
The one thing that we, the ordinary people seem to forget, is that it is the wealthy that need public services more than we do. It is the public services of the police force, criminal justice system and ultimately the army which preserves their position and wealth, so for that reason alone they should be paying more. French and Russian revolutions being examples
as an aside, for those who think WTO will be easy, do we think Argentina are going to agree to everything or will they look at Gibralter and Northern Ireland and think Falklands bargaining chip?
Everything that is going wrong or might go wrong is all Brexit's fault - according to Remainers or businesses that are losing revenue or trimming their workforce because demand has fallen off (eg, car sales).
Sorry, I don't have time to carry on to-ing and fro-ing in detail on every single point. Just a couple of final things I will say ... 1. Apologies ... I thought it was obvious that it is inequality of opportunity that concerns me. Some inequality of outcome is inevitable, and desirable where it is down to hard work and talent. At the moment though the big differences in outcome around the world are down to inequality of opportunity. The difference between the innate natural ability between of a new born to a billionaire couple in NYC and a new born to a couple in a tin shack in the Third World is infinitesimal compared to the difference in opportunity. The same is true of the difference between a new born to a public school Oxbridge educated couple and a couple on a sink hole estate in the UK. 2. On the one hand you say that "The difference between the top earners and the average, let alone the minimum-wage workers, is staggering. Unbelievable. Unnecessary" and yet immediately in the next sentence you say that "changing that, preventing that from happening, is a solution that eventually becomes worse than the problem. It's the lesser of two evils, to allow that situation to continue". I disagree with this. The evils of Socialism and Communism only become so if equality of outcome is pursued with no regard for talent or effort. There is no reason at all why pursuing equality of opportunity, and hence the reasonable equality of outcome that will follow, would lead to a situation worse than we have now. Quite the opposite in fact. One effect for example if we were to achieve a more reasonable inequality of outcome globally, would be that migration would reduce because the less well off would perceive less benefit in moving.
Yours was a generation ago ( a generation in scotland is 4 years now) and you took no notice of that one either respecting peoples democratic votes my arse
You may be right about that; but a certain person obviously doesn't read well otherwise he would know that it all started to kick-off again in 2000 after the GF Agreement - there have been incidents all the way up to 2015 (2015 for arguments sake) which is before Brexit was even mentioned - but it has continued past 2015 to the current day which is convenient for silly Remainers to blame it on Brexit.
I have been saying this for months and you have only cottoned on now? in the meantime, you have taken issue with most of my posts which have been describing this reality. We are not getting a free trade deal with the EU. We never were. We never will. Davis, Fox, Rees Mogg, Johnson et al, said we would. They lied. The solution is to put the hard border in the Irish Sea, and feck the DUP. No need for a hard border, and rUK can keep its word on the GFA. After all, its what the bigoted knuckle draggers deserve. The tail should not be wagging the dog. Here is another point of consideration that will piss off a few people. With a hard Brexit, we have the option of paying the £39billion which meets our legal obligations to the EU regarding various contracts from peoples pensions to Galileo to whatever, or we don't, and we see our credit rating severely downgraded, possibly to junk. After all, that was the prediction if Scotland left the UK without paying its share of the debt.
Agree. The has always been some daft twat who can't let the days of old go past so seek some simpleton to try and start sillyness. When the edl do it it's called racist biggotry and when the ira do it it's "the oppression by the english" jog on numpty It would seem the politicians of the past have as much interest in keeping the hatred of days gone by to keep a them and us whilst the majority of everyday people, just want to move forward. Sinn fienn will exploit brexit as will the snp, they think no one can see behind their public faces
or Sinn Fein and the SNP are reflecting the mood of their supporters? I cant believe how little understanding you guys have of Ireland. Who would have thunk occupying a country would have caused problems for the occupiers?
