Who would be silly enough to think sinn fein speaks for the whole of ireland or the snp speak for all Scots, funny old world
Maybe but I bet some Spanish politicians would love to go down in Spanish history as the one or ones who got Gibraltar back from the Brits.
you where not correcting anything, you rocked up and spoke to soon. i said, as a colony, they have the right to to vote on independence.
yip, i bet the "dont leave us lead us" and the "only way to stay in the EU is to vote No" feels like a v,long to ago now
man, to think you had that NOoB on ignore just a few short weeks ago, and now you have only gone and turned into him AirConman..
The gib thing for spain would open a far larger can of worms. Portugal could demand the Canary Islands back, Morroco could demand Cueta back
Just for starters, there are 2 years transition factored into that sum so lets take off say, £18 billions for starters. There is also £7 billions in profit from our investment in the European Investment Bank. The EU's treatment of the UK over Galileo makes my blood boil and they should repay our £1.4 billion investment that we will now have no benefit from. So, lets maybe make that £12.6 billions for a new starting point of our actual final commitments. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, I think Barnier has said a few times, so be it!
I said reflecting their supporters, which in both cases sizeable. for the SNP its over 50% back to your comment about the English oppressing the Irish. Well yes the English did oppress the Irish and had done for hundreds of years. Millions died or were forced to leave. In the late 20th century, there was no democracy in Northern Ireland, the powers that be, in London allowed northern Ireland the kind of practices that would have British soldiers landing on beaches elsewhere in the world to bring about democracy. Wards where there was clear republican majority were represented by unionist councillors because catholics could not vote. They could not vote because they did not have a home of their own. They did not have a home of their own because loyalist councillors only built council houses in loyalist areas. Then there was employment. Harland and Wolff in Belfast. How many catholics did they employ? Croke Park? Winston Churchill? Lord Trevellyan? An ex girlfriend of mine worked with is great grand daughter Laura Trevellyan 20 years on the Today Programme (R4) and she actually asked her "why do Irish people hate my great grandfather?" The Irish have every right to insist on the back stop. The UKs track record is awful.
Spain could demand Portugal back, France could demand Spain back - and what about the Channel Islands??
yeah, and yet you now agree with my analysis which you have dismissed all along...…..think it's you that needs some help in seeing the error of your ways and to trust the 749er more. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not true
Yeah jibber jabber jibber jabber. The Irish have every right to insist on the back stop. The UKs track record is awful. But it's not the Irish that are demanding the backstop, it's the eu demanding it as a way to keep the U.K. in the eu and under an ever tighter control than before. I see a pattern in regards to Brexit. Brexiteers want to look forward and remainers spend most of their time looking backwards.
An interesting article from a few months back (Irish Times). Ireland will have some issues with power generation and will incurr some substantial extra charges as a high % of their fuel is gas via Scotland = tariffs. Here are some pointers on what leaving the EU without a withdrawal agreement on March 29th, 2019 might mean. The status of the 300-mile Northern Irish border with the Republic would be unresolved. Both London and Dublin have said they will not put physical infrastructure on the border. But the Republic would come under intense pressure from Brussels to exert customs and immigration controls on what would become a new external frontier for the EU. There would be no 21-month transition period to December 2020, so businesses and public bodies would have to respond immediately to changes in the rules governing their operations. Protections for expatriates agreed as part of withdrawal negotiations could be torn up, creating uncertainty over the legal rights to live and work of 1.3 Britons in EU states and 3.7 million Europeans in the UK. Relevant EU laws would be transferred onto the UK statute book under the terms of the EU Withdrawal Act, so there would be no black holes in Britain’s lawbook. The most immediately visible impact would probably be at borders and ports, with fears of long queues if either side decides to impose heightened passport or customs checks. The UK would be free to set its own controls on immigration by EU nationals. Delays to cross-Channel freight due to new customs, sanitary and phytosanitary checks could hit supplies of food and other goods. Britain could opt to waive checks to help keep traffic moving, but this may not be matched by the EU. Without a trade deal for goods, the UK would have to fall back on World Trade Organisation rules, which require tariffs on products ranging from 4 per cent on liquefied natural gas to 9.8 per cent on cars and 32 per cent on wine. Britain would trade with the EU under the WTO’s “most favoured nation” status, preventing either side from imposing punitive tariffs, but the move away from frictionless zero-tariff trade is certain to drive up prices in the shops. Britain would be free to sign new free trade deals with countries around the world, and negotiations would get under way in earnest with states like the US and Australia. But these talks could last years, and in the meantime, the UK would lose access to free trade deals the EU has struck with dozens of countries, including Japan, Canada and South Korea. Opponents of a no-deal Brexit warn that major manufacturers in sectors like automotive, aerospace and pharmaceuticals would shift operations from the UK into the remaining 27 EU states in order to avoid delays and disruption to products and components crossing the border. Financial institutions in the City of London and other centres around the UK would lose their “passporting” rights to operate in EU countries, and could activate contingency plans to move some or all of their operations overseas. The UK’s annual contributions of around £13 billion to EU budgets would cease, providing an instant windfall to the Government. But there would be pressure on ministers to make up the loss of Common Agricultural Policy subsidies totalling £3 billion to farmers, as well as EU support for science and disadvantaged regions. New arrangements would have to be made to certify UK aviation for safety in order to ensure that planes are not grounded. Britain’s agreement to pay a “divorce bill” of up to £39 billion would be void, and a House of Lords report has suggested that the money would no longer be payable. But some legal experts believe the EU could take the UK to the International Court of Justice to recoup the cash, which represents payments to which Britain committed itself while a member. Britain would no longer be bound by the rulings of the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. But it would continue to be subject to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, which is not an EU body. Professionals may find that qualifications obtained in the UK are no longer recognised in EU states, and may have to obtain new authorisations in order to continue to practise. Individuals and businesses could lose the right to apply for EU grants or tender for work with EU institutions. - PA
it's not as politically charged as it has seemed to be. The eu has an end goal where brussels will be the eu's government which largely means removing all nations and it becoming one country, most with an open mind can see that is the end wish for those of the borg. We have said by a democratic majority vote, that is not a direction we want to follow so we will bid you a'deu, good luck for the future, we will remain your buddies but we want to go it on our own, speak soon. That by it's very definition, leaving the eu and it's structures, means we will be taking back control.
and no one BELIEVES that Ireland will be legally obliged under terms of its EU membership to control goods going into Ireland? If the UK leaves the border open, guess which route all the eastern Europeans will be taking into the UK? Bucharest to Dublin will be seeing a lot more traffic, then on a train to Belfast, ferry to Cairnryan and in. Do you really believe that's taking back control? I am going to be positive now. All those people who wanted a job for Nissan but were unlucky so far to get one, need not worry. They may not get a job in that proposed new state of the art, eat your dinner off the floor factory, there will be lots of new jobs on fishing boats out in a force 6, or in a fish factory processing fish......lovely, just lovely. They will be able to keep up the tradition of the old songs ….fishy in a little dishy.....
