I think you will find that opinion polls are showing that YES is ahead in the polls. The FM has already said that since Scotland had left the EU by then it would seek to join EFTA. She is aware that there is a significant minority of Indy supporters who are Euro sceptic
Yes, I know. This is part of my point. The Tory Government relaxed Approved Document B2 to allow the use of flammable materials and trusted design professionals and installers to apply them safely. At the time, I had several meetings with DCLG to try and persuade them that their plans were flawed. My field is not cladding, but another within the construction industry so my meetings had nothing to do with cladding. Anyway, I got nowhere and now we have buildings with plastics made from petrol all over them. Since the day of the caveman, oxygen plus ignition plus flammable material = heat and light
Some, mostly by nationalist institutions 38% of voting Scots at least to leave. Lets be honest, she will say any old shit
As mentioned before but you seem to keep missing it. I also have concerns about the EU. Not enough to leave on a hard Brexit and not enough to leave, but getting closer. I would be happy with EFTA. A big chunk of that 38% would vote NO, no matter. But I do know that the few people that I know that voted NO last time that I have asked about a second Indy referendum: 2 said they would vote YES, the other said maybe YES. Is now a good time to remind you that LEAVE didn’t poll well before the EU referendum?
Have you been at the spaghetti alphabets again? There is no hard brexit, that was a term created by remainers. Wto/free trade was always the only choice that actually matched the leave vote. A clean leaving of the eu rules and control. I know 8 people who voted to remain, who have changed their mind based purely on how the eu has behaved since entering into negotiations. The only figures that actually matter however is the vote and that has been declared.
I have not referenced the Brexit poll in my post above. I referenced the Indy poll. I do wish you would read things twice before diving in. Interestingly, the only group which described the hard Brexit which you and most people on here voted for was the Remain campaign. There is a certain irony that many Leave voters bought into the Remain campaigns vision of Brexit and not the Leaves campaign. No one else did. Farage is now saying that he never said we would be better off with Brexit, just that we would have our sovereignty back. He lies, of course.
i can say three no's, i know, are now all Yes. good stuff, shame it took em so long. well, QT on the TV, yip. in a Mick Dundee kinda way, that was what i saw. the last time i watched the wee Orangman (he is) was on and sharing his positive vibes. i will wager thats his forth appearance, and you will find his pic on one of the other threads on here from several tears back.
I genuinely don't see the point of any of this negotiation carrying on now. The EU quartet of Tusk, Juncker, Barnier and my favourite gap toothed gypsy are clearly putting their club in front of any member country relations, none of which bodes well for the future trade talks unless the there becomes a grounding of egos. A resetting of the script. There are, or I should say were, a lot of staunch remain voters at my place of work, but that's changed considerably in the last few days when the aforementioned quartet have been so inflexible and arrogant yet again. It surprised me how vocal some of them were yesterday actually, we've never discussed personal views as we try to keep things focused on the business, but yes many have simply been turned off by the EU teams arrogance. Contrary to that our suppliers in France, Belgium and Germany are worried about getting their products to us, they're also worried that we'll start sourcing from alternative plants outside of the EU and reducing the amount of Sku's we'll carry from their ranges. They're well aware that many of those other suppliers not in the EU hold exactly the same certification and accreditation as those within the EU (which they've needed to supply in), as such the standards and quality are much the same, better to some degree on certain items. We get on with our European suppliers, very well in fact, but I can assure you that for our business and marketplace at least it's not us who are the most worried, it's them. I fully appreciate that not every business can be as fast moving or flexible as perhaps we are, but let's just look at the situation in the eu. Ireland - Desperately trying to get a gaurantee of some billions of euros to offset loss of business from the UK. Their pm acting like a lap dog as in one hand he's under pressure from them in regards to the special tax arrangements given to the likes of Apple, and on the other he's having to seriously brown nose to try and prop up the rest of his economy from Brexit shortfall Germany - Vehicle manufacturing stalled and the number one export that props up their economy, the UK being their 2nd largest market. The German economy already in reverse and teetering on the very egde of recession. Losing or any further trade friction of sales within the UK would quite simply shove them over the edge, if they're not already there by Q2 2019 (without Brexit) For context - The USA market for them is facing barriers, China's market slowing, and then the UK... thats their top 3 wobbling https://www.statista.com/statistics...ntries-german-motor-vehicles-by-export-value/ France - The country already up in arms in regards to pay, living standards and jobs. Yet a Brexit with any friction to continuing trade with their UK partners will effect those who are already up in arms and considerably more. All whilst Macron is trying to gather support for his power move towards EU top table stardom This constant butting of heads is not only tiresome, it's frankly pointless. We either stay fully in the eu and draw a line under the last 2 years, or we clean break and reset negotiations when the European businesses take stock of the effects it has on them. Jezzas suggestions are as always, pointless and ill thought out. May isn't getting anywhere with her plan For me we either fully stay, or we fully leave (WTO short term) That's the only possible way for sensible future trade relation talks
Finm, I really enjoyed the SNP taking a bit of a kicking. The high point was the guy in the red jacket from the audience; real passion! There does not appear to be an appetite for a 2nd referendum on independence going by that so called representative audience. Many points made about how illogical that the SNP doesn't want to take laws from Westminster, but is happy to take them from Brussels. We then have another border and hopefully we'll be a booming, low tax, Singapore of Europe by then.
Your post absolutely nails it! The problem is that the MP's are out of step with public opinion. I have heard of many instances of remainers becoming disillusioned with the EU over the way the negotiation has been handled. Any fair minded person can see that we have been put in an impossible position largely by their conditions and negotiating framework. We have also handled things badly but the end position would probably be very similar. The only way out is a clean break. Write to your MP's. Let's just do it!
