British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. They have their own credit companies don't they, I know Ford do at least...
     
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  2. Are you lot still quarrelling :p
     
  3. Nope, we are having the weekend off :bucktooth:
     


  4. I’m outta here :laughing:
     
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  5. I am absolutely feckin livid with The PM

    If there was one bit of the WA you would think she would get right it would be this. But no, we are still in that god awful European institution known as Eurovision

    Total clackw-nker
     
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  6. Nigel left speechless

     
  7. buy sell buy sell buy sell.
    the bankers banker.
     
    #24411 finm, Feb 9, 2019
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  8. Add vets to the list - done, next...…… :):upyeah:
     
  9. "The" Vote Leave campaign?

    Uh huh. OK.
     
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  10. It's a good point the caller made, and she was given the opportunity to make it. I think it demonstrates how we have ignored getting enough Nurses, Vets, Drs, etc. trained up. The Government has really made entering training to be a Nurse especially difficult with insufficient funding.
    Why has this happened? Because we could just hire from the abundant cheap EU pool.
    So Vets will need to be paid above the £30k threshold to fix the immediate issues and over a period of say 10 years, we may correct the training shortfall and attract UK students.
     
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  11. But wasn't this always a benefit to the multi nationals that was thinly described as a benefit to the people by calling it free movement? In truth it should have been called the free movement of cheap labour?

    In many ways if you are a forward looking person you could see it as, we tried everything possible and no one listened about re-investing in people by such things as apprenticeships and the people doing them. We haven't stopped and won't stop highly skilled people coming in but we did try to change things from within, something some people have always said we should do, but the eu thrives on cheaper labour.

    I saw a how things are built a few days ago on quest, and I puzzled me that not only is it built and supplied in various locations within Germany but the engines came from Hungary. This made me wonder about the whole just in time system.

    In many ways it's a bit like the mindset of credit now rather than plan and save. From an environmental perspective surely just in time is one of the worst ways to build. All those lorries/ships/planes all constantly on the pumping out fumes, causing congestion could be avoided if we had the car producing plants like the days of old, all in one place.
     
  12. But wasn't this always a benefit to the multi nationals that was thinly described as a benefit to the people by calling it free movement? In truth it should have been called the free movement of cheap labour?
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    it was always a benefit for multinationals and their elected representatives to pay as little tax and offer as little amount of benefits as possible thereby society couldn't afford to subsidize training along with many other aspects that make up a decent society.
    and besides, with the politicization of much of these essential services, NHS,Teaching, Policing ect, who the ferk would want to be in those professions just to to constantly criticized, attacked and undervalued just to score cheap political points and sell papers.
     
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  13. Surprisingly I agree with some of that fin

    We brought in cheap knowing to get to a proper wage they would also need to top up their low wage through tax credits, housing benefits etc etc.

    This wasn't just restricted to migrants though on the key services. Police, nhs, fire service and armed forces. All of those require an element of a persons inner core wanting to do something for others, their community and country. Those elements have always been exploited by all governments, to give those key people a low wage and low conditions.

    Kids/society today are more selfish and more interested in mememe rather than wewewe. In some things it has led to staff shortages as some people find it difficult to interact with other people now in work/stressfull conditions. Looking at it at both sides though, the reduction of people who were taken advantage off because they had a true community spirit and so suffered low wages and poor conditions is getting less and less.

    Funnily enough the governments high wage requirement on migrants coming here in future for work other than seasonal, might encourage the government of the day, at the request of the people, to make the infrastructure front line roles to be seen as a more rewarding, financially and emotionally, career role.

    There then comes the real sticking part, the taxpayer. We want to pay taxes like the Greeks but be cared for like the Germans and even Diane Abicus knows those figures rarely meet. So we jump through the continual cycles of blah blah blah , this government, that government whilst at the same time knowing how we fund our infrastructure comes from us and so what are we going to do about it?
     
  14. What’s the plan for immigration

    Nigel’s poster

    Control our borders

    Not bothered where you family are from.
     
  15. Jeez

    Here we go again on EU immigration being the cause of wage suppression.


    • An updated version of this study, considering the period between 1992 and 2014, found similar results. This study found that a 1% rise in the share of immigrants reduced averages wages in unskilled and semi-skilled service sector by just under 0.2%.
    The available research also shows that any declines in wages are likely to be greatest for resident workers who are themselves migrants. This is because the skills of new immigrants are likely to be more similar to the skills of migrants already employed in the UK than for those of UK-born workers.

    Declines in the wages and employment of UK-born workers in the short run can be offset by rising wages and employment in the long run
     
  16. So immigration did reduce wages then. Great, thanks for confirming. :) :upyeah:
     
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