British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. What's that? :thinkingface:
     
  2. No but we can pave the way, so they are ready when we do leave, just waiting to be activated.
    As I understand it, no such deal exists.
     
  3. As far as I’m aware they haven’t really been trying, it seems as if they have been working hard to do a deal (or stay in the EU, as I see it) rather than prepare for leaving.
     
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  4. That is what is known as a “typo” (typographical error) now corrected.
     
  5. Even if we do a deal, our own trade deals will be necessary as we will no longer be able to use deals negotiated by the Eu with third parties as we will no longer be members.
     
  6. So we will be in a position of maximum strength then to negotiate. Desperate more like. Our lot need the bullet.
     
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  7. Yes, but it does seem to me as if the government have not acted as if we are going to leave over the last two years.
    It’s as if they were planning to stay in the EU.
     
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  8. As far as I am aware, there are plenty of deals close to conclusion but can't be concluded until other countries know what agreement we have with the EU, I think it will all come together when we have left and we all know the terms.
     
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  10. The eu commission is like that errant child finding it's own way as a teenager, absolutely convinced it has all the answers and a number of those around it afraid to say (given two thirds take out more than they put in) erm, yep, but no.

    All the U.K. want's to do is let it go it's own way and see how it works out for them but protect it's own people from the sillyness that is starting to emerge.

    That's not to say we wouldn't rejoin in our life time but if we did, I hope we wouldn't rejoin any organisation as it is run now.
     
  11. Best of all time - he was the bastard who had rates at 14-15%!!!
    Voted by whom - Nigel Lawson??
     
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  12. who is supposed to have said this?? A Russian in 2006??
     
  13. That's not what the minister concerned said 10 days ago
     
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  14. Winston is on record as advocating a United States of Europe, so don’t use him as a poster boy for brexit.
     
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  15. He also wrote "We are with Europe, but not of it"

    Also in 1957 said

    We genuinely wish to join a European free trade area – and if our continental friends wish to reach agreement, I am quite sure a way can be found and that reasonable adjustments can be made to meet the essential interests of all.

    Trade was his greatest drive, not the wish be controlled by the very people who started two world wars
     
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  16. It normally comes up in the top right asking...translate this page, i just did it again.

    In No-Deal-Brexit, these German regions are hit particularly hard
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    If Britain leaves the EU without an agreement, it will have a huge impact on the German labor market, say economists. Especially some districts would be badly affected.

    Source: WORLD / Kevin Knauer

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    An EU exit of the British without a contract would damage the export nation Germany massively. Scientists have calculated that up to 100,000 jobs are at stake. Here you can see which districts are particularly suffering.

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    Das British business magazine "Economist" has symbolized the United Kingdom and Gibraltar European Union membership referendum on its front page last as follows: A shiny, exudes power train is racing full speed ahead into the future, only that this future is a gaping abyss into which the train with all hands rushed.

    The strength of the economic burden of Britain's exit from the United Kingdom has now become such a religious war that barely any rational discussion is possible. While Brexit advocates predict a prosperous future for the kingdom outside the Union, others warn against wealth losses for all.

    However, two and a half years after the referendum, one thing is clear: Brexit has few positive effects, but carries many risks, one less for one and less for others. The export nation of Germany , that's for sure, will not get away with it. Scientists have now tried to quantify for the first time how great the dangers for employment in individual German regions are.

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    The Brexit chaos starts now, six weeks before leaving

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    The economists Hans-Ulrich Brautzsch and Oliver Holtemöller from the Leibniz Institute for Economic Research Halle (IWH) and the Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg have played through in an investigation the "hard Brexit", ie a more or less uncontrolled leaving Britain from the EU without remaining in the Customs Union.

    Böblingen has 726 positions at stake
    The results of the simulation leave no doubt that an exit without compromise and catch-up would hit the German labor market. More than 100,000 employees would feel directly or indirectly the slump in trade, which follows from the hard Brexit, economists note. Like other researchers, they assume that British imports from the European Union will collapse by 25 percent following a contract-free exit.

    Last but not least, the damage suffered by the German car industry, which included motor vehicle trades, is directly or indirectly linked to exports to the Kingdom of around 15,000 jobs (or almost one percent of all employees). WELT AM SONNTAG previewed the study entitled " Potential International Employment Effects of a Hard Brexit ".

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    Brautzsch and Holtemöller have not contented themselves with predicting the total number of threatened jobs. Rather, they have broken down the effect on the individual districts and independent cities in Germany.

    And there is a clear picture: workers whose companies produce directly or indirectly for export, it is harder. On the other hand, employees in domestic sectors have less to worry about.

    For example , 726 jobs are at stake in the Swabian district of Böblingen, where technology companies such as IBM or Siemens and companies in the auto industry are located. The Märkischer Kreis in southern Westphalia is about 703 places.


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    Here you will find many medium-sized companies whose products are found worldwide and who are the global market leader in their field. For these so-called hidden champions , export is a lifeline. If the cross-border exchange of goods becomes more difficult, this will immediately affect the business development.

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    Limited danger for East Germany
    The uncontrolled withdrawal of the British for employees in Wolfsburg and in Lower Bavaria's Dingolfing-Landau would bring particularly severe cuts. In terms of total employment, the incidence would be greater anywhere in the republic than in those counties. The reason: Volkswagen and BMW provide here together with automotive suppliers, the largest employer. "The employment effects of a hard Brexit would be noticeable above all at the automobile locations," explains Holtemöller.

    According to the calculations of the IWH scientists in Wolfsburg and Dingolfing-Landau, hundreds of employees could be affected, equivalent to 0.4 percent of total employment, if British car imports from Germany are levied after Brexit according to the rules of the World Trade Organization (WTO) ,

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    "It should be noted here that we are talking here of purely static trading effects," says Holtemöller: "The key message is the distribution of effects in space, while the specific numbers are of course only very rough estimates." This is the key finding of the simulation Also, that the Brexit hits the German regions very differently hard.

    While districts in Baden-Württemberg, Bavaria, North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony must fear damage, the effects of the British withdrawal from the EU to eastern Germany are limited. In Western Pomerania, for example, the impact on trade is barely noticeable. Even in Berlin, where hardly any industry is located, the impact is likely to be limited.

    Biggest effects for German economy
    However, the scientists emphasize that the simulation captures only the effects of reduced exports. Further economic devastation is far more difficult to quantify. For example, the increased uncertainty dampens the willingness of companies to invest, which prevents the creation of new jobs.

    Restriction of the international division of labor should, according to theory, reduce wealth in all nations involved in world trade. Economists at the Institute of German Business (IW) have recently calculated a far more dramatic scenario .

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    If the exit of the British from the EU fueled the trade war between the economic blocs and at the end not only America and China, but also Europe and five other trade partners are covered by protective tariffs, the German economy could decline by 3.8 percent and the unemployment rate in this country Jump up 1.9 percent. Across Europe millions of people could lose their jobs.

    Of such extreme scenarios, the Brexit simulation of the IWH researchers is still a bit further away. Holtemöller, however, makes it unmistakably clear that the Federal Republic of Germany, as the EU's economic heartland and as a large export nation, has been particularly affected by its withdrawal: "In no other state is the effect on total employment as great as Germany, which affects around 100,000 people", says the scientist.

    Worldwide up to 612,000 jobs affected
    The second largest victim is France , where up to 50,000 jobs could be lost. In absolute terms, China is also severely affected, with around 59,000 jobs at stake. Although Brexit has no direct impact on the British-Chinese exchange of goods - the People's Republic is not an EU member - Chinese companies will in future receive fewer orders from companies exporting to the United Kingdom.

    Relative to the working population, Brexit hits two euro countries even more than Germany, namely Malta and Ireland. Both sell a significant portion of their goods to the UK, namely 13.5 percent and 7.3 percent.

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    Therefore, it is not surprising that the significantly reduced trading activity after Brexit leaves 1.7 percent of Maltese and at least one percent of all Irish people worried about their job. By contrast, 0.2 of the German employees are potential victims of the EU withdrawal.

    Worldwide, the researchers estimate Brautzsch and Holtemöller a figure of 612,000 people whose job prospects are affected by the British exit. Of these, 179,000 live in the EU, and outside the Union another 433,000 are added, whose companies supply companies to the EU, which in the future will demand less because of the difficult trade.
     
  17. Thanks, interesting, so a free trade deal with no silly tie ins would save a potential 600,000 jobs if their predictions are correct - and the high and mighty Brussel's fools still wish to punish the UK - and people are happy for these idiots more and more in charge in the future, crazy kids :p as Finm would say :thinkingface:
     
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