British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. I'm certainly no expert, my guess would be that it would vary more.

    But, my question still stands - Do you think most employers will stop offering annual leave ?
     
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  2. He would say the same of you, except he would be the one person in that conversation who is correct.
     
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  3. No answer then?
     
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  4. On the several leaving labour,

    I did find some irony when Mike Gapes was asked, if the party needs to change, why not stay in it and change it from inside? His reply was, we did try and change it but it's clear that the party does not want to change and so we are leaving.

    Given all of these people leaving are extreme remainers, perhaps they will now understand why we are leaving the eu as the eu doesn't want to change either.
     
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  5. Oh, the EU is changing: it’s intending on getting bigger, with no right of veto.

    The Lisbon Treaty which Tony Blair agreed to, and Gordon Brown ratified without consultation is quite spectacular in scope if we were to Remain.
     
  6. I can see Labour splitting even more.

    The MP's who left today have done it because they want to remain in the EU come what may. I guess that's ok because at least they're being 'semi' honest....which is about as good as you'll get from a politician.

    And yet there's still thousands of historical Labour voters around the country, predominantly outside of London, that want to leave the eu and have a party with the balls to say that's their aim.

    Corbyn and McDonald however are just as ambiguous as ever, not committing to anything or answering a direct questions.

    I just can't see how Labour under Corbyn will survive long term, they won student votes on the basis of removing the debt, which turned out to be rubbish, and if a large portion of them want to remain in the eu then they'd probably follow Chuka and Co.

    So without students, and without the Midlands and Northern voter base of people who want to leave the EU, what exactly does Corbyn have left apart from Islington?

    I'm just waiting for Tony Blair to get wheeled in as the special guest
     
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  7. Assuming all the people who voted for Remain were Labour voters, Labour would appear to have another 25m in reserve if the Remainers all follow Berger & Co?

    Are the New Independants likely to be more sucessful than UKIP or the Lib/Dems? We all know how well that worked out in terms of MPs elected. Don't forget Libs actually ran on a Remain Manifesto and still only got 11 MPS
     
  8. More insults - excellent.
    A clear indication you feel you are losing the argument.
    Jolly satisfying :)
     
  9. :)
     
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  10. Why would you assume that? Many Labour MPs represent constituents who voted ‘Leave’, as do some of the New Independent (Former Labour) MPs?
     
  11. Unlikely given 60% of Labour constituencies voted to leave the eu
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/30/labour-mps-reject-may-brexit-deal-voted-leave

    I feel it is little more than a quick "we are so deluded that we think we can get a lot of support to stop brexit whilst throwing in some other unhappyness."

    The timing without a doubt is brexit related, after whatever leave deal we go out on, then I doubt they will last long and suspect many of these will step down at the next election. I can't see a third party emerging from Angry extreme remainers
     
  12. Those MPs that have just left the Labour party, should now stand for re-election at a by election, as most voters vote for the party they wish to govern not an MP.
     
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  13. You guys carry on with Brexit as if everything will be ok and none of you have a plan, and you expect me to reference minor comments which have no bearing whatsoever on how life in the UK is changing. These are not even my observations. My comments are based upon reports, which you, yourself could research, if you would only be bothered. But hey, Brexiteers don’t seem to do detail, do they.

    I am not here to be your teacher. But, on this occasion

    Record number increase in far right terrorist activity

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....stigation-security-services-a8607106.html?amp

    Increase in far right hate crime
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-islamophobia-police-racism-a8585846.html?amp


    politics
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....y-think-the-mainstream-has-let-them-down/amp/



    If you want anymore, google is your friend.
     
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  14. How can any question show that my fears are misplaced?
     
  15. Not surprising given the state the automotive industry is in at the moment worldwide.

    If you follow Honda automotive, it's been struggling since 2014 and onwards

    2014
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Honda-struggles-in-Europe-as-global-competition-takes-toll

    2016
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/industry/analysis-hondas-struggles-europe

    2017
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...on-profits-competitors-innovate-a7934531.html

    http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/honda/

    It's certainly been noticeable on the bike side where Honda seemed to have thrown the towel in with little of worth coming through either in new models or new initiatives and the same seems to be with it's car offerings.

    If you look globally, even the biggest manufacturers are having massive restructering. No doubt those that wish too will blame brexit but the truth of that is, if brexit was the cause, how does that work if the world wide automotive industry is in trouble?
     
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  16. Sand, head, bury.
     
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  17. “La la lala la


    Nothing to do with Brexit “

    It’s a competitive world. Throwing a huge pile of beaurocracy at U.K. manufacturing makes it much less attractive and those that Have options to avoid it will review those options. Some will stay and some will go.

    Where’s Digby Jones and his “not one job will be lost” comment

    It’s as if, in your deluded world, Honda are going to stop making Civics
     
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  18. Only you can answer that ;) but you couldn't :yum
     
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