I mostly agree. Not sure business people are much better though The motor industry doesn’t seem to be doing too well recently (diesel etc). I wouldn’t put it past them to use brexit as an excuse for other problems.
Shades of grey eh. In respect of diesel, the rush to diesel in the UK was lead by gov't policy specifically in the way taxes were levied. If you are referring to the 'diesel gate' performance issues, then yes the auto industry has transgressed.
I do hope all that want Leave will get what they want, not sure what that is.. but meanwhile; The UK will not be getting good trade deals whilst we have a Government that does not understand diplomacy and also does not understand the danger of trying to punch above their/our weight. Just saying. If you cant work it out then probably wasting my time. You could say this (below link) is(?) exactly what we should be doing, but once you step outside of the 'protectionist' trading block you hate so much, then its time for a different approach. Unless the goal is to be a third world country. https://www.ft.com/content/f38cc1d4-306e-11e9-8744-e7016697f225 (sorry Noobie, if its not up to date enough for you!) Despite being remain, I see the EU as needing reform and I am prepared to listen to all sides, prepared to adapt. Adapt is something that Leave seems to see as abhorrent. Some flexibility with 'red lines' would see Brexit achieved, the EU with less influence (even with full Brexit they will have influence...suck it up!) and the UK moving on without self harm. Anyhoo, sat here with my glass of red, cheese, meats etc. ...I genuinely want things to turn out well for the UK whatever happens. IF there is a hard Brexit and food shortages cause problems, I might post up some pictures of French food from 'chez maison'.
Your points are totally misplaced as we have a huge manufacturing trade deficit with the EU and you threw Range Rover at me - about the only part that comes from the EU is the gearbox, much comes from China but mainly the UK - what about Japan and it's the EU's trade deficit, they can do a free trade deal with that negativity, but not one with the positives that the UK gives them - it's all to punish us for us 'daring to vote against them' - we need to leave with a clean break and stop the 3 years of miserable remainers moaning against democracy as quite frankly, on average, the arguments on here, across thousands of pages now are quite weak. There are many 'experts' out there, I know a lot more about JLR and Ralf and his 'Brexit blaming' than you do and about his Nitra disaster and China too I do not condone bullies and that's exactly what the EU council are, some are scared of course, but not all
As there are so many Brexit posts and the threads perhaps we should merge all the ones about Ducati motorcycles to make them easier to find?
If you can...be very, very honest; Invest in a country that looks politically stable. Or invest in country that has no direction...and maybe no trade deals. Seriously, with the best spin in the world that everything is going to be bloody amazing, at this moment in a time foreign investors will typically be put off.
My key observations were; Leaving the EU will not help our balance of trade in products, however, it will certainly harm our positive balance in trade in services. Leaving the single market will diminish the attractiveness of UK manufacturing to worldwide companies. Those three facts are obviously correct. A trade deal with the EU was offered to the UK, but clearly May has promised manufactures something 'better' which is why we have her botched deal which has been democratically rejected. You can whine about them bullying us if you want, but we are where we are as a result of a lack of honesty from the promoters of leave. There are two logical ways to leave the EU, close relationship, low impact on business, but exactly the opposite of taking back control. A complete break, which you appear support. but which has significant impact on business. If the latter was such an obvious and easy choice why hasn't May gone straight for that option?
The U.K. has and always will punch above our weight, it's what we do and always will. That is why we were the 2nd largest contributor to the eu and the 2nd largest contibutor in overseas aid to help others and one of the leading countries in charity aid to others. Sadly in order to punch above our weight we need someone who can punch and the current government seems to have been paid by the eu and business to take a dive Can't see it, ft links sadly do not take you to the article but always take you direct to their subscription page I see you wrong on that, like Corbyn, the eu has been told for years the route they are going down is not as widely liked as you think it is, you need to listen more and they have always refused. Brexit funnily maybe part 1 for them to listen and part 2 maybe the european elections in a few months where I suspect traditional pro eu parties will get a kick in and loose many pro eu mep's For the U.K. given we were never really fully committed to the eu project, the brexit vote was inevitable at some point. It seems when the people used their last voice, their vote, the only people who refused to understand or respect the people were business and politicians. We in the U.K. will sort our mp's out once we have left, business perhaps may see a better balance as we move more to business's being based in the U.K. and not held so much to ransom by overseas countries, worth a go. As long as you don't post pictures of duke in retirement. In the short term, I would hold back with a cautious eye, however, the U.K. is not a comedic country however comedic our current government is. Even the most anti brexit economists agree the pain will be short term and the U.K. is not a country to be underestimated. You could understand those who know us and might get in early given we have shitloads of cash to spend and eu countries are no longer an automatic spend partner and as you know with business, a country with a load of cash and an open market is always a good friend to have
One thing I do not support is the efforts of May to remain - and no I don't favour a complete break with no deal, but the way they bully us then yes, that is what we need - and then we talk. And none of your facts are fact, that is a fact We need strong leadership, but we are in the unfortunate position of having 90% remainers in parliament with no such leader in sight
The last part is easy - because May wants to remain. Perhaps if they’d started at a complete break 3 years ago...
That’s interesting, I can’t see the EU being open to any sort of reform. Generally I’d have said remain don’t want change ( less likely to adapt ?) and leave were wanting change.
Referring to my mind set, not EU/UK But from the point of view of achieving a deal, flexibility is key. keep in mind the cornerstones of EU membership and the fact that there will still be 27 members. If the UK could flex on freedom of movement/open border then deal could be done. This would solve Irish border issue (which will not go away!) leave seem to have only one vision IMO
In terms of my 'facts'. 1 - You need to show me why leaving the EU will improve our balance of trade with them. 2 - In respect of services. from - https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851 · Services accounted for 40% of the UK’s exports to the EU in 2017. Financial services and other business services (a category which includes legal, accounting, advertising, research and development, architectural, engineering and other professional and technical services) are important categories of services exports to the EU – in 2017 these two service categories made up 52% of UK service exports to the EU. · The UK had an overall trade surplus of £28 billion on trade in services Since we leave the single market for services at the end of March, it is clear our exports in this area to the EU will decline over time (we will no longer be able to trade certain key financial items, and other services will be provided from other EU countries). 3 - The list of businesses moving resources from the UK grows longer every day. Our Frankfurt office is booming on UK businesses that are relocating part of their business there. This relocation is an ongoing fact and to deny this undermines your argument.
You are missing the point that there isn't a border issue - the EU has had other open borders for years as I posted links to last week, in fact they only closed them when the migrant crisis happened so I don't think an open Irish border would be an issue - but it has been made into one
