British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Nope, with your anti westminster anti uk snp sentiment, people are fed up of that kind of politics and you need more floating voters on your side, the snp are not going to get them by being confrontational. I've said to you many times before, a rottwieller will only get you as far as he door but never over the threshold. Until the snp change tack then you will never get indy.
     
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  2. really? they (north east) only have 1% of the economy, and that is gonna be traded away in a trade deal. again. not my words Berty Armstromgs, brexiteer and chairman of the Scottish fishing federation.
     
  3. We really need subtitles with your videos fin
     
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  4. I will be more profitable :blush: and can bad the wife from the UK at will :thinkingface:
     
  5. the current ration in hollyrood is around 11-1 the only people that talk about indi in he Scottish Parliament is the opposition. it is in fact the torys only policy up here. no to another referendom. unless you can name another.
    and you lot of course, in the first thread brexit thread noob brought up indi over 300 times before i got bored counting.
    There is no way that Scots could afford the double wammy of out of the EU and then out of the UK (it's biggest trading partner).
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    how much trade flows the other way?
    i wonder why a nation that is bigger than half the countries on the planet with more resources than most cant afford to run their own affairs? hmm,, why does Westminster invest so much time hanging on to us when they wont even subsidize a spare room in england.
    do you have the intellect to read and digest this?. can you debunk it?
    https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-outstanding-balance/
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    wont get back into the EU?
    Elmar Brok now joins Guy Verhofstadt, the former Belgian Prime Minister and the EU Parliament’s representative on Brexit, who said in June 2018 that it is “a simple fact” that Scotland would face no big obstacles to attaining EU membership. And in 2017 a group of 50 European parliamentarians from across the political spectrum and led by German Green MEP Terry Reintke signed an open letter to the Scottish Parliament in which they stressed that Scotland would be most welcome as an EU member, and offered their full support to ensure that Scottish membership of the EU would be as swift, smooth and orderly as possible.

    There is considerable sympathy for Scotland in the EU. Guy Verhofstadt said in 2017 that the EU can’t afford to lose Scotland. It is recognised that Scotland is the most pro-EU part of the UK, and that public opinion in Scotland is very different from that in the rest of the UK. An independent Scotland which was a member of the EU would not be the constant thorn in the flesh of other EU member states that the UK has proven to be, with its constant demands for special treatment.

    It is significant that Elmar Brok is a member of the German Christian Democratic Union and is a close political ally of Angela Merkel. The reason that this is important is because the German CDU is one of the most important components of the European People’s Party, the bloc of MEPs in the European Parliament which was most vehement in its opposition to Scottish independence in 2014. This opposition was orchestrated by the Spanish Partido Popular, which is likewise a member of the European People’s Party in the European Parliament, and which had sought to build a pan-European opposition to independence movements along with the British Conservatives. Ruth Davidson and other members of the Conservative party took part in talks with Partido Popular representatives to this effect in 2012.
    https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2019/02/28/oh-no-eu-cant-oh-yes-we-can/
     
  6. bit of an own goal here no? are you suggesting being out the EU will come with a financial hit?
     
  7. You are doing it again :eek:
     
  8. To be fair fin, I was replying to your 299 mentions of indi :D Look how almost every topic you enter comes back to indi, when the new multistrada 1260 came out you said only 3 more years ontop of that and the famous victory of Largs when the Scots beat the Norwegians, looks like they had the last laugh :D
     
  9. you import you belts from American suppliers no? my monthly parts bills have rocketed since june 2016. noticeable within 3months of that date and when queering the Dingbro rep at that time they confirmed that there had been a 4% increase across 18 of their product ranges. i cant absorb the extra for cost much longer. thee are only so many hours in the day. exchange rates not an issue?
     
  10. no you where not, you where in full blown tory sycophant mode
     
  11. And you weren't in full blown snp mode? come on now, cootchey coo
     
  12. Possible brexit opportunism fin? many did it within weeks/months, even more questionable given dingbro to keep a constant stock of £22 million in parts.
     
  13. Mine work both ways as I compete with Euro suppliers and sell a lot to the EU. There is a vat advantage to be had selling lower value parts abroad too :)
     
  14. An odd difference then, that Scotland could not afford to lose its buggest trading partner whilst the UK can?

    Its very like the need to take back control of laws from the EU, yet many decry Scotland for thinking along the same lines.

    When you combine these two issues the "Better together" slogan springs to mind (possibly true) yet again when put in the UK/EU context its apparently better to sell your children to slavery than even contemplate Remain.

    Funny old world...
     
  15. yip, because representing you countrys wishes and attempting the best deal for them (no DUP style bung or 1bill city bribe for us tho we will be paying a population share of it) because of something they didnt vote for and was promised wouldn't happen in such a way that her name gets more mentions on a ducati forum by its members in the south than a wiring fault on a ducati is always gonna be described as "disingenuous".
     
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  16. I can assure you they are not politicking. A hard brexit is an absolute disaster for anyone involved in manufacturing where the product is sold in the EU especially when the parent company is overseas.

    It is going to an administrative ball ache to manufacture in the UK. As our laws diverge we will become less and less important. It is not just car manufacturers, it is all manufacturing. The single market made business so much easier, harmonisation of rules cut red tape and moved protectionism from national boundaries to the EU boundary. We are now outwith the EU boundary, on the wrong side of EU protectionism and we are going to pay the price.
     
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  17. https://media.jaguarlandrover.com/news/2018/10/jaguar-land-rover-opens-manufacturing-plant-slovakia
     
  18. I saw aircons post differently, thinking logically
    (1) Were Scotland to leave the U.K., we know they can't us the British pound as they would have left Britain, plus being tied to the british pound would mean until they have another currency, either their own or the euro, then their financial and budgetary issues would be controlled through the bank of England, hardly independence
    (2) All the services that are taken care of by the U.K., Scotland has very little or hardly any infrastucture, from simple things like dvla through to their own armed forces, overseas consulates etc
    (3) ignoring those two, in negotiations to leave and given it's territorial waters extend only 12 miles out legally and the U.K. holds the rights to the U.K. waters , means if the snp say it is all ours and we are taking it, they would be lying to the scottish people and negotiations to leave as we have seen with the eu, means it will not happen for a few years to negotiate out
    (4) if your true intent is to join the eu then that needs to have another referendum for the scots after having a referendum to leave the U.K., we are upto year 3, leaving Scottish business's not sure what system to use,The U.K.or Scottish or possibly e.u. ?
    (5) Whilst the eu has said it would recognise a Scottish application, by year 4, many of the compliances will be different to the eu's and then you have to ask what the eu will want from the Scots? We know straight away the eu will demand a hard border between Scotland and the rest of the U.K. Seeing what has happened as a prelude, many U.K. business's are likely to move to the rest of the U.K. and their operations as well. We know all this because we have brexit as the benchmark
     
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