Big stories on the TV and radio for ages or recently: Knife crime: there aren’t enough police Schools : there’s no money; head teachers have to clean their own bogs Universities: only kept afloat by foreign students Food banks : more than ever Social services for old and handicapped people : woefully inadequate A&E waiting times: unacceptably long NHS: no cash But post-Brexit Britain will transform, apparently, to a « low tax » economy. Like a mini USA. It will be interesting to see how that goes.
True. It’s not that interesting to run a book on the most likely outcome. It’s more interesting to divine the mood of the country. Who cares if we make a collectively great Mystic Meg?
Since when was fairness ever a consideration in political discussion? Haven't you read this or the Trump thread? @Loz certainly has and can vouch for the "fairness" of all his contributions himself I'm sure...
Finlands a eu country? I wonder if they have healthcare elderly situations to ours? surely not being in the eu https://www.euronews.com/2019/03/08...overnment-s-resignation-over-failed-healthcar
I can just see this happening in the UK - the entire government committing seppuku out of a sense of shame and honour because they fucked up.
Interestingly, despite Trump's intentions the Yanks are buying more imports than ever before and the trade gap is widening. And they are more heavily in debt than ever before too.
Agreed, more food banks https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-food-pantries-struggle-to-meet-rising-demand/a-37148492
So, 2 years out of date and the wrong country but essentially the same problem - an increasingly unequal income distribution across the world with the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer. Cue Brexit, Trump’s election and the Gilet Jaune protests, not to mention the rise of the far right. Greed has never been a good look.
after brexit though and not that long ago well yes and no My point of that, it even mentions the Swiss have foodbanks too at the bottom, is that some are so obsessed with every single thing they think is wrong with the U.K. that honestly given than constant doom look, you do wonder how some ever get out of bed in the morning and don't wonder where the millennial whingers have come from. All westernised countries have foodbanks, all westernised health services by saving more lives, put a strain on the health services and elderly care, most westernised countries want higher rated services but refuse to pay too much in tax but to listen to some in this thread, you'd think every country other than the U.K.'s, shit don't stink.
Personally I find the poll on this thread quite telling Given the majority of regular input throughout the 865 pages to date is fairly evenly split between remain voters and leave voters, why would the poll reflect so heavily in the favour of leaving with no deal? There's masses of negative news on why leaving the EU with no deal would be bad, at least in the short term, for the UK and EU. There's also plenty of personal opinion from those that wish to remain levelled at leave voters, some well presented and thought out with good reasoning, and others unfortunately full of condescending tone which probably doesn't help, but it's opinion nonetheless to try and get people to change their minds with the view of remaining. Yet even after all of this, our poll clearly reflects a huge majority in favour of leaving. Why is that? seriously, why? I simply don't buy the thought process that each of the members within this forum who have voted on this thread must be racists, or xenophobes, or so ill educated that they're all voting the wrong way. That would show one to be naive at best. So again, why the huge lead? Is it because those of a remain view, and those in the EU, are still to this day focusing on the negative economic outcomes of leaving the block? I understand why, it's an age old strategy of fear and consequence to help get a point home. It's what you do with children on occasion to save themselves from making mistakes. But are we safe to say that the EU and remain sided are still missing the trick of marketing the benefits of membership? Positivity and benefits are just as powerful a strategy (if not more so) as negativity and consequence, so why aren't they using them? It's a genuine curiosity of mine because I'm well aware of how product marketing and sales strategy work, for my sins I've been involved in that for the vast majority of my career and still am to this day. You simply don't sell a product or service by starting from a negative viewpoint. You start with benefits, features, ROI'S, feel good factors that instil confidence. Given that nothing is decided yet and a second referendum is plausible, isn't about time that the EU changed tack and waxed lyrical about the positivity of staying on board with the project?
interesting break down of the demographics There was ample debate about immigration in this referendum, and there were clear divisions in voting patterns. Of all the areas in the UK where the population mix is over 30% immigrants, only one (the town of Slough) voted to leave. Generally, the higher the immigrant population, the higher the Remain vote. Immigration was a central issue for the UKIP political party in the 2015 general election. UKIP supporters voted 95% to leave. Another stark divide: of the 30 areas where people most identified themselves as English, all of them voted to leave the EU. https://www.valuewalk.com/2016/07/demographics-brexit/
I agree with that. Can anyone answer with the positives of staying in the EU. Not just it’s better to stay as we are ? Even better would be how things in the U.K. will improve if we stay in the EU.
Sorry fin but that is completely wrong Lincoln is heavily migrant populated voted 75% to leave Peterborough is heavily migrant populated, voted 60.9% to leave Wisbech is heavily migrant populated, voted 80% Kings Lynn is heavily migrant populated, voted 66.4% to leave and the list could go on
More importantly, can anyone outline the positives of staying in what the EU shall become when the terms of the Lisbon Treaty become effective? Having voted “Remain” in the referendum, as a convincing case to Leave wasn’t made, that case has since been made by the EU themselves.
I've said it before but most of the vocal and more insulting remainers on here fear their plans have been scuppered for retirement in a low cost sunny area of the EU, that's all it is
