British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Except no one. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, campaigned for that before the referendum.

    WTO Rules are not free trade. There are tariffs.
     
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  2. I don't remember them campaigning for leaving with a deal like the one being proposed either ?
     
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  3. Perhaps 749er, then you can explain, of all of the options often mentioned, which option completes the democratic majority vote of leaving the eu?
     
  4. Free trade would have come without all the softy bollocks nonsense - remoaner MP's have sent the country up shit creak without a paddle - and before Dave knows everything says it isn't true, it is :yum
     
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  5. Ah, I know this one: Leave :):upyeah:
     
  6. So 55% in favour of remain, 45% either don't know or are in favour of one of the various flavours of Brexit - from very Hard to very Soft. Still only a minority in favour of No Deal ...

    ... and also of course right now it is what Parliament thinks that is important.
     
  7. one way or another there will be another vote. wether it be a reff or the next hollyrood election.
    i.v sugested this scenario to one or two in a position to make those desicions. where by if they dont get the reff but win at hollyrood, but not with an overall a majority. (its almost imposible to min a majority with our versiuon of PR)
    they should let the other partys make a grand coalition.
    i think folks might of forgotten how far the country has come in the last decade. personnaly, i think they need a wee wake up call.
     
  8. Perhaps you dave can answer the question? of all of the options often mentioned, which option completes the democratic majority vote of leaving the eu?
     
  9. whats this got to do with the britnat label?
    i have yet to reveal the auther of that quote, but what did she self proclaim to be?
     
  10. *cough*Brexit polls June 2016*US Presidential Polls 2016*cough*

    I'm glad you mentioned "political reality" as I have one to share with you:

    No "deal" with the EU was ever going to be mainly about trade. It was only ever going to be about BRiNO or about creating a situation where UK Remainders and Leavers alike would soon be begging to rejoin the EU on any terms whatsoever. If the UK and the EU were ever going to reach a deal, it was going to be one where the EU retained effective control over a great deal of the UK's government.

    This is a political reality recognised by a number of Leavers early on - in fact, some Leavers urged the UK to leave without triggering Art 50 as that piece of legislation is apparently designed to make leaving the EU as difficult as possible. I haven't yet investigated this myself but as the point is moot, I'm in no rush.

    What you call "extreme Nationalist Brexiteers", an informed neutral would call "realistic proponents of democracy". However, those of you in your FBPE/extreme Remainder bubble, I wouldn't expect you to recognise a balanced view if it bought you flowers and took you to dinner.

    "Soft Brexit"? What is "soft Brexit"? Does it involve having UK legislation and judicial decisions made by the EU and its organisations? Cos if so ...

    I agree with your assessment here, to a limited extent, in that there are different types of Brexiteer. The "strains" of Brexiteer in Parliament and the country as a whole can be divided into three broad categories:
    • Brexiteers who recognise the EU for what it is and wish to have a clean break, and negotiate with it for trade from outside the Union
    • Brexiteers who are clueless as to what the EU is and believe that all we need is a mutually beneficial trade deal, with or without "strings attached"
    • Brexiteers who will do anything whatsoever to hold onto their seats in Parliament, even if that means Remain or BRiNO.
    The first type of Brexiteer is a realist and an optimist

    The second two types are good for ballast in German Zeppelins.

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  11. This is at the heart of the problem. Vote Leave did not define what Brexit would look like. Farage himself said we could be like Norway.lots of options were suggested but nothing concrete. See Noobie Educational post above. Re read and digest.

    Farage also said that no one campaigned for a no deal Brexit. Try listening to your gods?
     
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  12. That's an old poll, mine was new - things change
    Errrrm…………………………. what? :thinkingface:
     
  13. That isn't the question asked though was it.... of all of the options often mentioned, which option completes the democratic majority vote of leaving the eu?
     
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  14. You have put quite a few words together there, can you please re arrange them with some more thought to make at least a little sense :bucktooth:
     
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  15. Personally I think the polls are perhaps a bit mis-leading, as they tend to be offering a few choices. There is no way on knowing from them what % of people want a 'hard' Brexit ?
     
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  16. You are going to have to be more explicit. I thought you were asking which version of Brexit is most like what people voted for.
     
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  17. No my words were clear and succinct, there is only one answer but you refuse to say it so third time lucky

    of all of the options often mentioned, which option completes the democratic majority vote of leaving the eu?
     
  18. Whilst you are considering your answer to noobie's question, which option completes the democratic majority vote of leaving the eu, can I ask you one?

    What percentage of people believed from the moment they cast their vote in the Ref that a beneficial deal with the EU was a racing certainty?
     
  19. That is true ... but immaterial at the moment. What matters right now is the opinion of MPs .... and everyone's opinion seems to be that the overwhelming majority - including the majority of Brexiters - simply WON'T support a "no deal", "hard" Brexit.
     
  20. it was this forums hero. magie thatch, she proclaimed herself to be an english nationalist and believed that independence would be granted if the SNP returned more than half the seats available to them.
     
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