British Indy: What Happens Now?

If you are happy to replace "everyone's" with "all mp's" I would agree.

The point being what the politicians are doing / wanting is not necessarily what the people want or voted for ?

 

The polls are immaterial ?

Why do remainers keep going on about them then ?

 

The answer to that is the same as the answer to Noobies. Nobody knows.

This is not how you make big decisions

 

I firmly stand by my comment about splitting the nation/population,
as you can see clearly in the posts to this thread, there are polarised views, on leave or remain, and the conditions of each..
one point i would like to make and its a real point of frustration, is please refrain for being sucked into the 'Ze Germans' narrative, i winds me up, sat here ' on the eastern front' with a German wife and children to hear my countrymen/ women/ hamsters etc using 2nd world war rhetoric when in fact the majority, if not all the locals i speak to about Brexit, (and this is often as its always brought up in conversation by them) are in agreement with our willingness to escape the EU meddling..
dont be blind to think everyone on the mainland is happly taking one for the team, that is not the case.

im pi$$ed of with the stress its causing, and uncertainty of what impact it will have on me personally, and the added cost and time needed to be invested in living and working overseas #ineedahug

 

No mate. At the moment I have not been able to find a single poll-of-polls that shows the opposite.

The vast majority of commentators on every side of the debate agree that Parliament won't vote for "No Deal" ... you are just about in a minority of one.

It is immaterial what I think or what you think. It is how MPs vote this week that is important.

Hogwash. Those who led the Leave campaign had different views, and continue to have different views. This is patently obvious.

 

Then you are lying to yourself. In the matter of which of the commonly mentioned options, there is only one option that fullfills the quote to leave the eu and control of the eu, that is wto and free trade

 

Certianly the eu was created for the German economy and it is that, that has benefited them most from the eu and most within the eu organisation, despite being told all 28 are equal, nothing happens without Merkels say so.

I'd like to think when most of the conversations have been "the germans" they have been in relation to the German government/s and not the German people but on occasion it has slipped into the germans as a collective.

in regards to ww2, often this comes in as a reply to those remainers who spill bilge water about brits returning to empire and colonialism and generally points out that tack by remainers is nonsense. One thing and I do appreciate your position Nat, consistent German governments HAVE sought to control all of europe either by war or politics, I don't know why they are obsessed by doing this , actions would confirm they are.

Again though, whilst appreciating your position, it seems no matter what brexiteers say about leaving the eu project and not the countries or people of europe and how often they say it till they are blue in the face, there is little more that can be done but as always, once the politicians have finished fucking things up, hopefully we can all get back to normal.

 

Amatuer, two thirds of my nukes are from dom rusty in the Trump thread, and dom lives in hemel hempsted

 

That was because you willfully tried to ignore plain English. What is is about:

"This is at the heart of the problem. Vote Leave did not define what Brexit would look like. Farage himself said we could be like Norway. He also said that no one campaigned for a no deal Brexit. Try listening to your gods?"

that is so hard to understand? Why would putting the words into a different order make things clearer?
I'm still trying to cling to the idea that we are having an intelligent debate here. This is challenging, but I'm being generous with my benefit of the doubt.

 

I'm wondering if there is a thatcher equivalent to godwins law?

 

could it be because leave never had a deal attached and when the clear vote of leave the eu with all it's finery, the remainers tried to turn it into leave depending on the deal? Them crazy remainers , 3 years and still creating tomfoolery

 

Bilge water - good term.
And this "certainty" - plain fact then, in your eyes - comes from what impartial source?
To me this is indicative of disingenuousness of the extreme Brexit position. There have been references to jackboots in this thread - and I pointed them out at the time.

And here we are again. The EU was created to obtain by political means what the Germans failed to achieve militarily.

They might be blue in the face, but their ears are burning red if they continue to uphold the beliefs that you have so clearly and unambiguously voiced.
I thank you for this post as it enables us all to know just where we are.

 

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. According to Wikipedia:
The question that appeared on ballot papers in the referendum under the Act was:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
with the responses to the question to be (to be marked with a single (X)):
Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union

There was nothing about leaving "the finery" of the EU or the "control" of the EU. The question was as above. No more. No less. You may wish to interpret the Leave option as "Leave the European Union on WTO terms with no deal" but that wasn't the option that anyone put an X against.

In which case the famous "Brexit means Brexit" is almost quasi philosophical. It might mean that Brexit is no more, nor less, than leaving the EU, with the type of leaving entirely up for interpretation and negotiation. Who knows?

 

There was always a good reason for the creation of the eec, when it was a europe wide trade body but when it turned itself into a european government, not so much a good reason

 

Okay, how do you leave the eu if you do not leave all that the eu is?