I don't think many are arguing that Parliament will ignore democracy - that's the scary bit for our future, the rest of what you say is pish What's your personal gripe with it all? What are you scared of loosing, care to come clean
The airbus one was funny, all along they knew Emirates would no longer be buying the A380 as despite being a good plane, in the market place it was just far too expensive but instead, airbus decided to use that in the brexit debate despite knowing even if brexit had not happened, the same cancellation of the A380 by Emirates would have happened
Then you are deluded sir. Under wto/free trade, the eu could not interfere with what we could build for our children, the U.K. could have built futures custom fitted for the U.K and by the U.K. What will happen under your suggestion, if either Mays deal or a soft brexit is approved, it will be far worse than what we have now. In effect, remainers have given us a worse deal. We won't remain, the house remainers will stop what was voted for as a clean break and what is left remainers will say, yay at least we didn't leave even though we are now worse off. You have a right to be worried about our kids future because remainers will have sabotaged a majority democratic process to end up with a deal worse than we currently have. Own your own sabotage and enjoy the fruits of it Or we can go to wto free trade and build a new way forward, lets see what happens in the next few days
On the news now, they are waiting for them to come out and make a statement any minute - don't hold your breath
David Lidington, Theresa May’s de facto deputy, told MPs tonight that the government had secured “legally binding changes” to the withdrawal agreement, which MPs will have an opportunity to study between now and tomorrow, when the EU-UK exit deal will be voted on a second time. The first is a "joint legally-biding instrument" on the withdrawal agreement. Mr Lidington said it could be used to start a "formal dispute" against the EU if it tried to keep the UK tied into the backstop indefinitely. The second is a "joint statement" adding to the political declaration to commit to replacing the backstop with alternative arrangements by December 2020. Mr Lidington said: "The House was clear on the need for legally-binding changes to the backstop. Today we have secured these changes. Now is the time to come together, to back this improved Brexit deal and deliver on the instruction of the British people."
Starmers position tonight is that it is technical jargon but does not remove the backstop and does not allow us to leave unless the eu allows us still. It will be interesting to see the outcome tomorrow. The key I feel was as soon as they got cox involved, they were looking for verbal lubrication of a rubber band and little more.
But the 3rd part, tying it into UK law hasn't been agreed and they didn't come out to make the timed announcement for news at 10, and still not out for a News Night announcement either so I think they are in a stalemate
Personally I am worried for my kids - 18 and 16. Unable to vote back in 2016, yet they will feel the brunt of the impact. The world being what it is, their generation is going to have it much tougher than mine did, and Brexit will only make it tougher. They will curse their parents and grandparents who voted for it. I also have three brothers, all of whom will almost certainly be impacted more than me. One is younger than me with one lad of 6 and another on the way. Him and his wife struggle to make ends meet. He does a very anti-social shift job as a lowly data centre network engineer and Brexit is already having a negative impact on his future opportunities. His wife works in a lab that is funded by the EU. Her job is at risk. My eldest brother has lived in the Netherlands for over 20 years, France before that and works all over Europe and in the UK. He is married to a Dutch woman but does not have Dutch citizenship. Brexit is already affecting him. He owns property in the Netherlands and in Greece but doesn’t know what his status will be post Brexit and is already feeling negative impacts around things like continuing to keep his UK registered vehicles in the Netherlands. He works as a freelance contractor in telecoms project management and feels that his sector has slowed investment because of Brexit. Ironically he voted to Leave but now wishes he hadn’t. My other older brother has lived in Switzerland for nearly 30 years. He is married to a Dutch lady and is a Swiss citizen. He has property in Switzerland where he runs his own small English language school and in Spain where they are looking to retire to. He looks at Brexit with bewilderment and wonders what the hell the UK is thinking. My wife and I are firmly UK-based. We have a very successful B2B training and consulting business which even though we are already seeing Brexit have some negative impact on investment by our customers, will enable us to retire with enough of a cushion to live comfortably for the rest of our lives. The travelling we hope to do in retirement will be more difficult and likely more expensive but relatively speaking we will be some of the luckier ones post-Brexit. It is our kids I feel for - those that didn’t get a vote - and those in the poorest areas of the UK - many of whom voted for Brexit but ironically will suffer the most because of it. The vulnerable will suffer most of all and it is the hardening of attitudes towards such people in the UK, Europe and the US that worries me as the populist narrative of hard-line Brexiters, Trump, the Front National, the AfG etc. advances. Reasonable, moderate folk need to take a stand and fight against it. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
But the rest of the worlds economies are growing faster than the EU, and whatever happens we will still trade with the EU. Where does all the doom and gloom come from? Forgetting your families personal gripe with it all I mean. I have family in Europe but don't see any disadvantages personally of otherwise. Get it out of your head that it's a racist thing will you - the far right is growing much more so in the EU. Reasonable moderate folk respect democracy is my guess...
I'm sorry Dave but whilst accusing others of mememe, your own story is littered with it. What could offer more of an opportunity for British kids than forming their own countries and their own future, free from other countries rules and regulations and being able to expand in a way our kids would feel would suit them more? We could have given them a clean slate to write the future they wanted, remainers voted to give them more of the same
