British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. That was in 2012 when he was London Mayor. I'd be surprised and disappointed if the Mayor of any of Strathclyde's regions did not say the exact same but in reverse.
     
  2. They are already doing it, a couple of posts above:

    "You have a right to be worried about our kids future because remainers will have sabotaged a majority democratic process to end up with a deal worse than we currently have." says @noobie.
     
  3. that was him arguing for our income tax jobs to be moved to london. then said they wouldn't in a no vote then did, after the result.
     
  4. "We could have given them" ... we haven't even left yet and you're moaning already that it's not what you want.

    The kids voted Remain. They wanted more of the same, but you seem to think you know what is better for them. They won't be spending their gap years in Europe, by the looks of things.
     
  5. Oh shame: if true, that only leaves five other continents!

    Shan’t include Antarctica for a holiday!
     
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  6. What could offer more of an opportunity for British kids, since you ask, is the right and the freedom to live their lives and work anywhere in the EU, instead of being restricted to the UK.
    The rules and regulations that you fear so much as coming from outside UK borders don't really interest them. They see a bigger country, one that doesn't stop at Dover.

    It's your Brexit, not theirs. At least own up to the fact that you think you know what's best for them and understand things that they don't.
     
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  7. Which we both know is a crock of shit. On your claim, no one working in europe will be from a non eu country. Pathetic attempt from you glid
     
  8. Come come fin, are you saying no Scottish politician whether at local or Scottish national level has ever said, never mind England, bring your business and jobs to Scotland?
     
  9. I do see a great advantage to Brexit, however.

    The UK, and more specifically, England, will get rebooted. Things will never be the same. The Scots will leave and that might be the kick in the nuts that England requires to reinvent itself. That might prove to be beneficial. But it will mean an end to 2 party politics, first past the post, perhaps even the monarchy will take a hit. There won't be a revolution as such, in a 1789 or 1917 idiom but, I suspect, a complete reassessment.

    And that is well overdue. In this sense, perhaps the harder Brexit is the better. When the shit hits the fan, the JRMs and Borises will be ducking for cover. The bog needs a good flush. Brexit might just provide it.
     
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  10. I have no idea, but what percentage of them do ?
    Surely this cannot be a reason why brexit is bad for the youth ?
    Not being able to spend a year on holiday ?
     
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  11. Dunno.
    In my gap year I worked a bit in France and Spain. I also worked in France in university holidays. My brother did the same. A bit easier to organise than going to Chile or Australia.

    Maybe it’s different now but spending a year on holiday was never on the cards. With what money?
     
  12. I would be surprised if it’s a high percentage.

    Money aside, making a gap year in the Eu harder for them is not really a good reason to say brexit is bad for the younger generation - is it ?
     
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  13. European Parliament president Antonio Tajani has said that the experiences of Britain attempting to leave the EU will serve as a “deterrent” to other nations considering leaving the bloc.
    Speaking to Germany’s Morgenpost, the Italian politician was asked whether, after nearly three years since the referendum and months of negotiation with obstructive Eurocrats in Brussels, he believed other Eurosceptic member states would be inspired by the UK to leave the bloc.

    “I think that’s impossible,” Mr Tajani told the Berlin daily. “The example of the British will serve as a deterrent. We have to change the European Union. But we have to stay together.”
    Saying that he would be “very happy if the British stayed in the EU,” he maintained that Brussels would remain inflexible on Prime Minister Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement and would only grant an extension to Article 50 if the UK gave a reason — suggesting a “new election or a new referendum” — but otherwise, the current impasse would not be eased by the bloc.

    “They have decided to go. That’s their problem, not ours,” Mr Tajani said.
    The hardline position of the EU appears to be working. Breitbart London reported in February that the Eurosceptic populist Sweden Democrats party, set to double their vote share in the May European Parliament (EP) elections, has backed off from supporting a public vote on leaving the EU after observing the way Brussels has treated London.

    “Clearly the EU does its utmost to complicate Britain’s departure,” party leader Jimmie Åkesson said last month, adding, “It would be irresponsible for Sweden to leave before knowing how it goes with Britain.”

    The UK’s current uncertainty and the Sweden populist u-turn has fulfilled predictions made late last year by senior MEP and progressive Guy Verhofstadt, who is also the EP’s chief Brexit coordinator, who said that the “chaos” of the UK’s exit would stem the rise of populist Euroscepticism in Europe.

    “Fortunately, we have Brexit. It illustrates the populist wave, but it has also provoked a resurrection of attachment to the EU within public opinion,” the former prime minister of Belgium said in September."

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...aving-eu-will-serve-as-a-deterrent-to-others/
     
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  14. That really tugs on my heart strings. All those second homes at risk. All those potential remainers not able to vote.

    If only there had been the same level of emotional black mail / emotional deal closing when the miners, shipbuildrs, steelworkers etc etc etc lost their jobs back in the day.
    TB
     
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  15. I had understood that there are a million or so Brits working and living in Europe. That’s a flux - people arrive and people leave. The young won’t be young forever. So you have to assume that, over time, without freedom of movement, around a million Brits won’t be living in Europe in the future. So you could say that Brexit will limit the life chances for that million.
     
  16. Dave, whatever happens .... you will always be funny. It's just in your nature!

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  17. we all say it. and as events played out, clearly non of us can influence it. EVEL doesnt help the situation either.
    and most of your arguments are based on democratic deficits with the EU?. WTF?.
    there's lots of examples of this, on this occasion, two thousand jobs we still pay for, along with all that goes with with running it. that's an awful lot of Income Tax, Vat, Rent, xct + losses to the local economy.
    then you have a braying Tory party and leader attempting to discredit our economy and management of it, while doing all they can to dismantle it. yet, we still have on the whole, the best performing public services in the UK.
    you and yours are doing something wrong. probably something around the privatization of service providers and the Tax you lose because of it.
     
  18. A prime example of the insidious populist lies that are driving Nationalism across Europe. Name me one such regulation that was imposed by Europe despite the UK voting against it. Something about bananas maybe?
     
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  19. Please, Dave. Don't ever change!
     
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