I think that a lot of people, maybe even yourself included, give these politicians more credit than they deserve. Have you not been watching parliament over the last 3 years? Do you really think that this shower of imbeciles have managed to organise a plan coherent enough to involve the entire EU27 into hoodwinking the public into thinking we're being given a three course meal, only to swap it out for a shit-sandwich right at the end? Since when has Theresa May, or her government, ever managed to get anything right? The removal of 20,000 police posts? Deporting British Citizens of the Windrush generation? Giving a £14m contract for ferry services to a company that had never run a ferry service and didn't have any ships? I could go on... My personal view, as a staunch remoaner, is that the the UK has been incredibly naive in thinking that it could (a) leave the EU club and negotiate a better deal at all given our current deal (see my previous postings on this), and (b) have any kind of advantage over the EU27 when we have managed to piss off every single one of those countries in some form over the last 5/10/50/100 years and knowing that it only takes one veto to bring our whole house of cards of an argument for leaving crashing back down to earth, and (c) passing the buck of such a monumental decision for this country's future off on the public. I shake my head frequently at some of the drivel that gets posted on this thread, and I really can't see that the EU is playing some kind of collusive game with Theresa May when, in all honesty, I really don't think they give a fuck and will probably be quite happy to see the back of us (given how good our current deal is) and will look forward to bringing us back into the EU in 5-10 years time on a much worse deal paying a lot more than we do now. That will be the real punishment. But what do I know...
And anyone that thinks Nigel Farage has morals needs to have a long, hard read of this... Eurocrat Nigel Farage suspected of asking foreign leaders to overrule the sovereignty of Westminster Brussels came under fire yesterday as journalists revealed that Nigel Farage, an EU employee under criminal investigation in several countries, had sent emissaries to ask Italy’s Matteo Salvini to veto the Article 50 extension motion to be passed by democratically elected MPs in the UK. The conspiracy to undermine British democracy is not the first time Mr Farage has been the centre of a scandal about the inner workings of the EU. He has several times been the poster child for wasteful spending and incompetence in Brussels. In 2014, newspapers revealed that he had attended only 1 out of 45 meetings of the fisheries committee he had somehow been appointed to. He has often been seen in important debates looking confused or drunk and only being able to mumble predictable clichés as his coworkers sigh in embarrassment. Full article: https://newsthump.com/2019/03/14/eu...s-to-overrule-the-sovereignty-of-westminster/
What's wrong with managing one's tax affairs, legally, to minimise the amount of tax one pays, or to delay the point of payment? I've never understood why the EU are so hell bent on having a uniform corporate tax rate across the entire EU, unless it's part of the grand project master plan; the complete removal of individual countries sovereignty. First they take away the right to decide interest rates, then they impose a uniform VAT rate (with a very small margin for local decision), now it's corporation tax, next it will be income tax. More & more they want power to be consolidated in Brussels where it is used and administered by unelected technocrats. I voted remain but over the last 2 years the scales have fallen from my eyes and now I think the best thing for the UK is to get the feck out of there on 29th March and deal with the fallout, which, IMO will be minimal. I believe remainers, brexiteers, bremoaners, bremainers, and everyone is sick & tired of this dragging on.
You know nothing, John Snow. The UK establishment, since the unexpected referendum result in 2016, has played this game the only way it knew how. It lacks the courage (and probably, the troops), to declare an end to democracy so it is doing the next best thing. It is sowing seeds of doubt in every direction possible - "we can't leave, it will be a financial disaster!", "we can't leave, we are incapable of governing ourselves and need the EU to remain in charge!", "we CAN leave, but really, we can't", "we will leave but it will take until such time as the British public has forgotten that we were meant to be leaving before we'll be ready" .... etc. Uncertainty is a political tool, chaos is a tool, they are very useful when confronted by an electorate which seems to know what it wants. Thus, you must demonstrate, as the Government, that the electorate did not know what it wanted, wasn't really voting for it, it is impossible and no one knows how to achieve it anyway. The trick is to muddy the waters until the usual fatigue and disinterest takes a-hold of the population once again. By then, they will settle for any decision as long as a decision is taken. I wonder whether the usual tactics will work with the Great British Public, in this instance? We'll see. I don't consider politicians to be very bright but they are possessed of a low cunning, and they have a government toolkit of tricks whose existence has stretched back centuries. And they are constantly learning new tricks. NB it isn't really the politicians that have access to this toolkit, it is the Civil Service, the true power in the UK.
Hopefully what happens next is that the MPs accept their personal favorite vision/ version of Brexit is not going to happen. Then they will all vote for the version they hate the least, get on with it and ideally the public will do the same.
I Agreed the post because at the end, Ant asked of himself, "But what do I know?" and I completely agreed with that question.
You do realise that any version of Leave requires the agreement of Brussels? That no one in the UK gets their version of Leave (or Remain, for that matter) without the EU's OK? Oh. Any version that isn't leave without a Leaving agreement, I meant. That one is wholly within our own control.
Probably to stop Ireland having low tax rates that allow companies like Apple to syphon their profits through there and pay less than they should in the country the money was earned- like the UK
Any day, now. Any day. Jean-Claude knows all about this stuff. Poacher's make the best game-keepers, right?
Its incredible that they keep on pushing a deal that has been so heavily defeated. Any sane minded leader (May is surely a nutter) would think a change of tack was required. Deal;voted down Leave with no deal;voted down That leaves two real options 1. an extension for closer ties to EU, whilst still leaving (Norway variant, whatever which ever) but has to be different enough for the EU to accept the extension is for a reason, a change of red lines. 2. withdraw article 50 (this does not need EU approval) May will probably still try to get her deal through. What keeps getting said about the referendum? 1 vote! They are demonstrating a very strange democracy at work.
Could you name those several countries? Before you go down the "we lost but am so desperate to believe anything to win we will see moons in bananas"....you might want to read Posts 28523, 28524
Lindt are heathens. They make dark sea salt chocolate wtf !! That's like going down on your mrs and tasting the last bloke that was in there, bang out of order
My guess on this is the plan is to keep voting on her deal until everyone thinks withdrawing article 50 is a good idea.
but the advisory had a caveat that it would be acted upon which was very publicly announced and multiple times No they don't jb, no they don't
