British Indy: What Happens Now?

^^^ is almost always said more by extreme remainers, than brexiteers funnily enough

Having been an empire and seen how that turns out in the end, having seen how the same factions time after time have tried to create an empire in europe, many have said simply, you are going down a route that will not end well so please stop and that was being said time and time again but the eu has not listened.

So politely and using all legal and democratic structures in place, we used the agreed article 50 and the referendum democratic vote

You claim nostalgia, but more was about the eu were taking a path we did not want, they did not listen so again, we left but still sought to remain their friend on the other side of the channel. I think it suits your extreme remainersism to make it just about what we are doing and ignoring what the eu are doing but hey ho

I would agree Mays deal is far worse than what we currently have but like being in a bad job, at some point to make things better, money is the least important thing when you decide to leave. As mentioned constantly, even with a soft brexit, there would need to be a financial heavy investment which would require 3-4 years of staelemate financially but even some of the largest hedge funds know the U.K. will be where it needs to be soon after. We are as has been mentioned, the second largest financial contributor to the eu, we are also in the third that put in more than we take out and are one of the very few countries who could actually afford to leave and have the resources to rebuild and improve.

I would add on this, we are not as some extreme remainers suggest, looking to compete with the eu but more be as good as we can be whilst concentrating on the U.K. whilst in an open trading world.

Can you answer for me in this unicorn world you possess, when the eu saw as we did, the election result in june 2016 and all the eu commissioners, top politicians, very pro eu politicians all said, this is a clear message that something within the eu needs to change, what do you think the eu has changed in the last 3 years?

 

Retract A50 (totally under our control) and start again with a workable plan, rather than chaos?

Would need serious explanation (and commitment) to the 17m that voted leave.

Leaves the EU out of our internal fuck up.

Timeline controlled by us - Objective to transition to WTO as the line in the sand.

 

he's entertaining, the snp keep putting forward comedic ammendments knowing they will never pass just so they can say , "see, see , they don't listen to us in westminster so we need indi." It's abit like slapping yourself across the face then claiming your a victim. It's childish politics but seems to entertain Bercow in a way of dance little monkey dance

 

Everything is possible. Barclay gave a big closing speech at yesterdays session and promptly voted against himself.

 

If they made brilliant speeches in the HofC someone would carry them on the news / youtube / Kipper mag etc?

 

another irony alert? c.mon its all good.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/1...ly-failing-scotland-as-snp-launch-complaints/

 

This is the crux of the matter which no Leaver will ever respond to, because they don't like to admit it.

They will point out that "Leave Means Leave", "Brexit Means Brexit", "You Lost, We Won, Get Over It" and so on, but the plain facts are that at that time there was no deal, no plan and no confirmation of what would happen, if anything. There still doesn't appear to be a plan or a deal now, with two weeks until Brexit Day.

It really is that simple.

But I do admire the way that everything is now being blamed on the remoaners :lol:

 

If you watch the parliament channel fin, they always show the repetitive snp all the way through, every single member whilst the house tv is on.

I think the BBC to be fair to them are trying to reduce the amount of repeats on the BBC so one "grrrr tories at westminister, we are the victims, indi for Scotland" script a day, is probably their way of reducing predictable overplayed humdrumadaries?

 

Being it's page 1442, I would suggest it has been answered many many times but I'm happy to indulge you

They will point out that "Leave Means Leave", ...., yes, it was on the voting card, did you notice?
"Brexit Means Brexit", ...of course, that's why it's called brexit,
"You Lost, We Won, Get Over It" ...in it's basics yes but you forget we all took part in a democratic vote knowing only one side would win
but the plain facts are that at that time there was no deal, no plan and no confirmation of what would happen, if anything. There still doesn't appear to be a plan or a deal now, with two weeks until Brexit Day.
Perhaps you missed the bit that the launching of article 50 after the vote to leave, was supposed to be the two years of plan building and NOT spending two years fighting remaoners still trying to overturn a vote they lost?

It really is that simple.....I could see why you felt it was simple given the information you put forward

But I do admire the way that everything is now being blamed on the remoaners :lol:
I think most would agree that a remaining prime minister, a largely remaining cabinet, a remaining house of comons, a remaining house of lords and a remaining civil service could be seen as helpful to the remainers cause

 

Now I have a bit more time on my hands, I do watch Daily Politics and the Parliament Program most days and I would say the SNP get a good share of air time, the problem is they have nothing new to offer, I think Ian Blackford has only ever wrote one speech in his life and he keeps on repeating it, it's getting monotonous now.

 

Just to make clear; I don't like, or want, May's WA but I think a capitulation is coming by the ERG and DUP as they don't want the risk of a long extension killing Brexit. There is a good chance they will support her vote 3rd time round. I believe we should have stood firm and prepared to leave on a managed no deal, months ago. Sadly that boat has now sailed.

We will then need May to signal she'll resign end May (serving as PM longer than Brown is a goal of hers apparently). We will then need a leader like Raab to get a team together that must include some business leaders (Digby Jones?) to drive through the tough trade negotiations without letting them screw us further.

Article 62 of the Vienna convention has to be the ultimate nuclear deterrent: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47568883

 

if i watch the terestrial channels i always get two or three torys and labour politicions bitching about the third party when answering question about their own performance, then over to forage for his view of the third partys handling of brexit and the chaose their causing in our public services. wtf has that got to do with brexit? and why do i have to go looking while the constant monstering of our position is main stream? .
do yer worst noob, i aint gonna waist time responding to often to yer pish.

 

I didn't mean to shoot any messengers and if it came across as that I apologise. My intended point in my initial post way way back in the mists of time now (on this thread at least) was that the unifying of CT rates across the EU is, IMO, another example of the federalisation desired for by those that actually run the EU - which as has been intimated on here may be large global corporations and not elected representatives of the people. It is this increasing strangulation of member nations' sovereignty that many of the populace object to.

Whether we realise it or not we all benefit from the alleged immoral practice of large corporations' tax management activities. Less tax paid equates to higher distributable profits for shareholders and the main shareholders of all the large corporations who indulge in efficient tax management are pension funds, including State pension funds, who are attempting to maximise returns for us, their customers.

UHNWs who practice tax management are doing it directly for themselves but they can afford the cost of doing it. We, the average person, cannot. If we could we all would. There are very few who are so altruistic they would pay the State more than they had to at the expense of their own family and heirs.

Criminal enterprises who use off-shore jurisdictions are not practicing tax management but washing money.

 

What Can I say fin, all of those you mentioned are national parties on national tv stations. Yorkshire has more of a population than Scotland, you don't see Yorkshire politicians moaning saying the snp get more tv time than we do

 

your all my children.