Yes I agree they voted Leave, wanting Canada++ etc. Now there are some who claim all Leave votes were for WTO /LEAVE NOW! Its not plausible.
See, we reached an agreement on something, perhaps we should go and take over I too doubt all leave voters wanted WTO, maybe most would have liked to have seen the negotiations start with that, immediately after invoking article 50, and then progress made towards 'deals' before the end date. Personally I think the problem has been not doing that from the start. Who do you think should be making the compromises, the 'leave' politicians or the 'remain' politicians ? (not sure that's worded very well)
Both sides must compromise. May is the root cause of the problem. The delays have led everyone to convince themselves they will get everything they want. May at the same time dreamt up her own plan that everyone hates and yet she sticks with it. Extension, change leader, general election is the best way now. BUT, if the Torys don't think they will win, they will have extension then second referendum, change leader. No point giving up being in government if they don't have to?
agreed both sides should compromise. I think May is the problem now, and that parliament basically wasted a lot of time earlier on believing they would find a way to remain. Another way forward could be leave with no deal (ok bigger disruption now) and start negotiating trade deals etc. GE could be the worst thing at the moment, can you see anyone winning a majority ?
How's this for a bet? There are some backbenchers attempting to change the law to prevent No Deal. Apart from wondering just how they would be be able to do that, I can't see it being possible in the short time before April 12th.........unless......................... .........................May asks the EU for a longer extension (which I guess is highly likely)..... ..........and then the law gets passed.
Another way forward could be remain as we are with an extension and get a Leave Deal that is acceptable which was what was supposed to happen. A General Election would at least stop all the bitching. It would be a new crowd with new rules. Can't be worse than now. A tiny majority or coalition for Labour, but anything could happen. It would be close.
I will have to disagree with 'which was what was supposed to happen' that's the same as arguing leaving with no deal was supposed to happen, no one said we will leave with a deal either. Maybe you are right about a GE, will have to wait and see if that's how it goes. Someone is going to have fun saying 'told you so' eventually.
Can you imagine the message that would send Not only do mp's want to ignore peoples majority democratic votes, but they are trying to make them illegal too
Well, there is some underhand engineering going on........ ......I'm really enjoying it........ .....haven't had this much amusement since Grandma caught her tits in the mangle.
It was interesting last night to see who voted what, abstained and voted against. Equally baffling lack of support for soft Brexit options from some of the so called pro Europeans. Shows that many cannot stop playing politics, even at this late stage. Noting various reasons for voting out, it is interesting to dig deeper with some of the politicians. Old news I know, but when you know D Davis is taking around £3k per hour for consultancy work with JCB....who want to sell in to the US market, some things make more sense. This conflict of interests could not cloud their judgement at any time? ...of course not.
Sort of. All we have to go on is whether people wanted to remain in the EU or Leave. All discussion of "what kind of Leave?" is, at its heart, manoeuvring for Remain. To the Bat Time Machine, Robin! We must re-run the Referendum properly! They already did : o ) No, I mean like Beijing listening in on the West through their company's IT, with its built-in "vulnerabilities". I'm not sure Obama's hearing is all that great - launching that many drone strikes into sovereign nations can lead to tinnitus (and, oddly, open-air modern slave markets in Libya - what are the odds of that?). This instinct for "compromise" in the face of a binary question ... it makes people look a bit ... I don't want to say "dim" ... uh, how about *fecking stupid*? : o D Nonsense. May is the EU's tool in this. What she is doing is to create "mayhem" (good word, that) and slip the EU's WA into the cracks in the UK's political structure. Much easier, less upheaval, than an *obvious overthrow of democracy*. WTO is the best way now. What "government"? Oh, you mean their position in the heirarchy. Gotcha.
I think he does about 20 hours a year for them. As to jcb wanting to sell in the U.S. , they have been selling there since 1960 and have had a plant in Savanah georgia since 2000. Hardly a conflict of interests if they started selling in the U.S decades before he even became a mp?
Your post was waaaaaaay tooooooooo loooooooooooooooog Point 1. No Point 2. I referred to the HofC indicative votes, You replied. Now you are mixing your response with a reference to the '16 ref. Point 3. I expect the people always vote in a GE for their best interests, You infer that having doone so once they have no need to do so again? Point 4. Americans listening in is possibly less bad than Chinese listening in. In a few years that might not be the case. We know they are both listening in to the UK. We are recording them doing so. Point 5. Total failiure to comprehend that (assuming the numbers have not changed ha ha ha) telling 48% that they must do what the 52% want will not ultimately make the 52% happy. Feckin stupid? Harsh but yes appropriate in this instance perhaps. Point 6. Take off the tin hat. Its making too much noise. Point 7. We will have to agree to disagree. Point 8. I did mention the tin hat didn't I?
I'm tempted, I think you need 5 email addresses from peple to start one though, I don't have that many friends If five people want to PM me their email addresses I will start it though.
Exactly, whether you agree or disagree with that petition it makes the whole process seem pointless if all they ever say is 'we discussed it and the answer is no' Why have the petitions at all - nothing has ever come from them, I really believe they don't care what people think.
