Bercow is apparently allowing the matter of changing the law to prevent a No Deal Brexit to be debated; May is having discussions with Corbyn which will also lead to a No Deal Brexit. Conclusion?..........What I said yesterday. May's plan is working so it is her deal or nuffink.
Yes that promotion was a bit "strange" not sure what happened with the resolution from December? This is why I said (apparently misunderstood) there should be a small eu parliament where the MEPs/president/eu pm are directly voted for by citizens. Anyway we are way gone past this point now.....
It was a lifetime ago - at least three pages back! Speaking of compromise, ERG/ Mogg/ IDS have realised today that it was a way forward. Since they refused to do so, a different compromise has been found. I won't suggest that it will work - May is not to be trusted - but it should have given them something to think about. Great interview with IDS on BBC. He looked furious.
What do you think JC is going to insist on to back the deal ? 3 pages is a lot, plus having conversations inside conversations confuses me - I think I probably mix up who said what.
JC can insist on whatever he likes - he will be ignored and blamed for not compromising and making May's deal the only one
You seem to be assuming that the EU won't change, mutate, over time. Which is astonishing, because the EU has been changing and mutating the entire time you have been alive. The EU isn't expanding its power over members states by appearing to be oppressive. It is expanding its power by appearing to be benevolent. Offering honey. Inducements to accept MORE EUROPE. Free stuff. Free Mobile data roaming. EU "enterprise zones". Free movement. All wonderful things (if you are foolish enough to believe that anything in life is truly "free"). Eventually, citizens will be offered things they don't want. Higher taxes. Cramped living conditions. Loss of individual freedom and choices. And the citizens won't be in a position to refuse theme. If you doubt my word, put on a fluorescent yellow jacket and wander around Paris this Saturday. What is happening there is a sneak preview. My advice - learn the lessons of history. Empires always go bad and the EU will be no exception. Aware of it? The EU is counting on it.
I expect he will have to compromise somewhat, but I expect Corbyn to demand: That preparation for the Euro Elections is all in hand, so that May cannot suddenly turn around and announce that we have to leave now because we have not participated " so its MY Deal or No Deal" A customs Union Workers rights in tandem or better than EU A meaningful vote on the Trade agreement ( when its complete before it is enacted). A legal block on leaving without all the above unless there is a GE. Hard to say what he will actually get agreed, equally hard to see how it can be protected so that the next Tory PM cannot overide it all.
I cannot see in the future, nor can you. Not living in the past, nor in the future so I like to deal with today's issues and at this moment in time I cannot see the benefits of leaving. However, one thing I can hope for the German/French/UK citizens are not that stupid to allow the EU to head towards turning us all in "modern slaves". Your lines do make sense in a sort of Marxist idealist way..but is there a perfect system? are we heading that way being "free"? On the Free note, think I mentioned couple of times that nothing comes for free and that EU is far from perfect, but quite happy to just jump on my bike and ride down wherever I want in Europe and not being charged stupid monies by my network provider or needing green card/international driving license.
Nothing to worry about, seem we are out on 12th of April. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-19-1970_en.htm Statement by President Juncker on the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the European Union at the European Parliament's plenary session Brussels, 3 April 2019 President Tajani, Honourable Members of this House, The developments in Westminster over the past days have convinced me of what I already knew. The best way forward is the ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement. It has already been agreed by the Government of the United Kingdom, endorsed by this House as well as by the European Council. In its decision 10 days ago, the European Council paved the way for an extension of the Article 50 negotiation period until the 22 May – on the condition the Withdrawal Agreement was approved by the House of Commons by 29 March. This was not the case. In light of Prime Minister May's statement last night, I believe we now have a few more days. If the United Kingdom is in a position to approve the Withdrawal Agreement with a sustainable majority by 12 April, the European Union should be prepared to accept a delay until 22 May. But 12 April is the ultimate deadline for the approval of the Withdrawal Agreement by the House of Commons. If it has not done so by then, no further short extension will be possible. After 12 April, we risk jeopardising the European Parliament elections, and so threaten the functioning of the European Union. The Withdrawal Agreement is and has always been a compromise. A fair compromise in which both sides obtained some but not all of what they sought. It is the kind of compromise through which the European Union was built. The kind of compromise that enables the European project to advance. The kind of compromise we need at the moment. Much of the debate in the House of Commons has related to the future relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom. The European Union stands ready to add flexibility to the Political Declaration, to pave the way for a close economic partnership between the European Union and the United Kingdom in the future. We stand ready to refer to a range of options, from a free trade agreement, to customs arrangements, to a Customs Union all the way to the European Economic Area. The openness we have shown from the start could be laid out, in purest clarity. On the EU side, we stand ready to launch the talks and negotiations on the future partnership as soon as the Withdrawal Agreement is signed. Before the ink is dry. The Commission's negotiating team is in place. Michel Barnier, our Chief Negotiator, is ready. I would expect the same level of readiness on the United Kingdom side. Whether this happens or not depends on the United Kingdom. The European Council gave the United Kingdom the time and the space to decide. Yet I believe that a “no deal” at midnight on the 12 April is now a very likely scenario. It is not the outcome I want. But it is an outcome for which I have made sure the European Union is ready. We have been preparing since December 2017. We have always known that the logic of Article 50 makes a “no-deal” the default outcome. We have long been aware of the balance of power in the House of Commons. In that time, the Commission has published 91 preparedness notices, 32 non-legislative acts, 19 legislative proposals and 3 Communications. We have visited all 27 Member States to support their preparations. We have held 72 seminars with the Member States. The measures we and the Member States have taken will mitigate the worst impact of a “no-deal” scenario. The protection offered is real. The measures will make sure that EU and UK citizens can continue to live and work where they are at the moment. They make sure that planes can take off and land. We have adapted our financial instrument to make it possible to help fishing communities. We have identified the ways in which law enforcement cooperation can continue. We have taken steps to mitigate disruption on our financial markets. The measures we have taken are time-limited and unilateral. They provide a cushion for key EU interests at least until the end of the year. But disruption will be inevitable for citizens, for businesses and for almost every sector. The United Kingdom will be affected more than the European Union because there is no such thing as a “managed or negotiated no-deal” and there is no such thing as a “no-deal transition”. And whatever happens, the United Kingdom will still be expected to address the three main separation issues. Citizens' rights would still need to be upheld and protected. The United Kingdom would still have to honour its financial commitments made as a Member State. And thirdly, a solution would still need to be found on the island of Ireland that preserves peace and the internal market. The United Kingdom must fully respect the letter and spirit of the Good Friday Agreement. “No-deal” does not mean no commitments. And these three issues will not go away. They will be a strict condition to rebuild trust and to start talking on the way forward. At the European Council next week, we will listen to Prime Minister May's intentions and decide how to proceed. The principles that will guide my actions are clear. I will work until the last moment to avoid a “no-deal” outcome. The only ones who would benefit from such disruption are the opponents of the global rules-based order. The only ones who would cheer are the populists and the nationalists. The only ones who would celebrate are those who want both the European Union and the United Kingdom to be weak. The European Union will not kick any Member State out. I will personally do everything I can to prevent a disorderly Brexit and I expect political leaders across the EU27 and in the United Kingdom to do the same. Thank you.
If he goes in demanding all of the above won't it just be another stalemate, basically Corbyn saying 'my way' and May saying 'no, my way' ?
I expect the Customs Union is not hard to achieve. It migh need to be called a different name to make some people less angry? May is the boss and has all the control. Unless she were to get locked into an endless stalemate (like now) and her party told her she has to go (like now) and the Torys expect to lose the election (like now). In which case she has little to lose and much to gain?
May seems determined to get her deal through at any cost, perhaps she is hoping if one of Corbyn's ideas is added to it then Labour will vote for it. I don't understand why to be honest it's hardly going to unite the country and turn her into a national hero. Just have a referendum Leave WTO or Revoke article 50
Is there an international organisation which can oversee the voting to ensure that it is fair and above board? And if you say "UN" ... well ... let's just not.
I think this is either another delaying/ run down the clock scam or she will try to as you suggest to add something to her deal that will gain enough Labour votes to get it through. If she is genuine, I think she has a good chance of getting it through parliament. The choice has come down to ERG compromising or Labour . Looks like Mogg said no. The referendum seems a better way. Its what many have been asking for along time. But perhaps May is afraid that if we all have to vote, we might want to have an election? Also there are many people (here too) that don't want a second ref. Personally if I were a Leave voter I would want one as its the last chance to get what I want! Edit: Maybe May is concerned that a second ref that overturned the first (always supposing that it does - it might not!) could start gillet jaune style street fighting?
